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I honestly did not want swiftwater, I’ll be honest with you, it’s fairly too long, and frankly too big, plus pushing to point 4 can be a big ass especially if there is a wrangled sentry up behind 4th point.

I suggest replacing swiftwater with Viaduct pro, RC3, much better map, king of the hill, DM, and very fun.

I really like gravelpit, so I welcome the decision to have it in the map pool. Can’t say the same about Haunt and Lakeside, as I think Turbine and Viaduct are much better maps.

In my opinion, what makes a map good is the size; if the map is too big it doesn’t allow for much close combat, which makes a map faster since the damage output is higher on close range. A problem with many maps is that maps are really slow because you need to commit too much (i.e. you need to take a greater risk) when pushing, which makes the overall play more passive, spending much time trying to create an advantage before pushing.

This is also the reason why I prefer Viaduct over Lakeside and Turbine over Haunt, these maps allow for closer combat and have faster pace.

One thing I reacted to, 4 out of 6 maps in the map pool are A/D, and there are no 5cp maps at all. I would like to see Gullywash in the map pool again, it’s a good 5cp map for highlander and it is not entirely untested since it was used in HL season 1. I would like to remove one payload map in favour of one or two 5cp maps, since this creates more diversity.

Haunt? noooooooooooo

converge, turbine, viaduct, gullywash, follower

Looks great! 3 of 6 maps from last season pool though… Not gonna complain though since I love them (except lakeside).

Glad to see there was no ASSville or viaduct.

A 5cp map such as Gully would be great though (we tried process the other day in a double mix and it worked better than expected). Just any 5cp map.

When arguing against Haunt, can you provide actual arguments why you dislike the map? If you discard the map just because it is new, I suggest trying a balanced scrim before dismissing it, as it is quite different from Turbine in both layout, game design and even CTF mechanics. When this map was being tested at UGC, most players found the fast-paced CTF a great improvement from Turbine, via a lot of positive forum feedback.

Something worth noting is that our site’s scoring system doesn’t support one KOTH/5CP/CTF map per match and maintaining fair scoring on par with BO3 maps. As such we must use two “short” maps per match, to balance the points received from BO3 maps with points received from matches with “short” maps.

If we would say, remove Swiftwater and replace it with Granary, that week would have two “short” maps instead – for example, Granary + Lakeside. Would having two weeks with 2 maps each make it too difficult for teams to prepare in time?

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It’s unpolished and It’s been played in ugc summer season (another version of it) so nobody really likes it.

In the first post, I asked for constructive arguments. How is it unpolished? What problems does the map have? What indication do you have that “nobody likes it”, even though the feedback from the UGC summer season seemed to be universally positive?

You are essentially saying “haunt sucks because I say so”, which is not very helpful.

I really dislike swiftwater, I’m not really sure what argument I can make other than it’s not a very good map. The flow is incredibly poor, the layout is ill considered and makes for very scrappy and confusing battles. I’m basing most of this on 3rd and 4th point, but I’d really much rather see something else in it’s place.

I haven’t played all that many highlander maps that aren’t in the etf2l pool, but from tonight’s experience I think granary is actually not bad at all. In terms of adding variety without sacrificing the quality of games I think it’s a good pick.