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Quoted from Kaneco

I would love to see some unlocks on the EU scene, I find the US scene much more interesting to watch and partly due to the use of unlocks and the different game mechanics that those items allow

Gunboats, equalizer, boston basher, pain train, overdose, jarate, cloak and dagger (dead ringer would be useless in 6 vs 6 anyway), I think these are items that would only benefit the game both for the players as well as the viewers as I have said numerous times before. And if you don’t like them you could simply not use them, besides the equalizer (which is a direct upgrade) I think every other item is a fair sidegrade of the vanilla counterpart with their respective advantages/disadvantages. I don’t see how it’s not allowed already.

I notice many top level players don’t want/hate them, but everyone hates change until it’s imposed to them and they have to live with it for a while, then they get used and they might even prefer the new way. By this I’m not saying to force the unlocks on everyone, but to allow the community, as in, everyone in a team participating in the current/previous etf2l season to vote on which unlocks to allow

except for the fact that we were forced to play with unlocks during a couple of bad seasons, that reaffirmed the trust in vanilla for most players. Prem even had to boycott etf2l for the league to listen to the players that weren’t div6/retarded. but hey, if you wanna try it again be my guest

Make a seperate unlocks league, problem solved forever. It seems pretty clear we have to have this debate untill the end of time (or TF2) anyway.

Quoted from herpderp

Make a seperate unlocks league, problem solved forever. It seems pretty clear we have to have this debate untill the end of time (or TF2) anyway.

Also, what’s skill on rollout? 10 minutes training on localhost for sollies and demo? heal roamer until he get 300hp, heal pocket, heal roamer again?

@CrashSite, why would you even argue with a lower division player in the first place? I mean they don’t even have time to check their own posts for errors/mistakes and logical flaws, let alone having some respect to other people’s opinions.

@etcetera
You should have attended some english classes before going on the forums and starting a conversation. As a native russian speaker I can barely understand what are you trying to say.

inb4ashkan’sbanhammer

Quoted from Tornf4lk

except for the fact that we were forced to play with unlocks during a couple of bad seasons, that reaffirmed the trust in vanilla for most players.

You are not forced to play with unlocks, even if unlocks are allowed you can choose not to use them you know, this argument is invalid.

Quoted from Tornf4lk

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Prem even had to boycott etf2l for the league to listen to the players that weren’t div6/retarded. but hey, if you wanna try it again be my guest

Why base the decisions of a whole community on a elite of 30-40 players?

You know the top level players (by this I mean prem) don’t even make 1% of the whole competitive community?

I know I am no one in the comp scene, but if I feel my voice is ignored because some guy that has been playing for 3-4 years just doesn’t agree with me then why bother?

I am not talking about forcing it, I’m talking about allowing the whole comp community (and not just the elite) to vote on what they want or if they want.

If we are going to keep listening only to the same “old” people over and over nothing is going to change. And If you let them influence decision that should be made by the community as a whole then it’s even worse.

I have nothing against these top players, I infact enjoy watching them play, but I think the decision making system in etf2l is broken if we only listen to them

Quoted from Kaneco

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You are not forced to play with unlocks, even if unlocks are allowed you can choose not to use them you know, this argument is invalid.

The reason you’re forced to play with them is because they are so unbalanced that anyone without them would fall behind. Still, you are correct that my wording may not have given the message I wanted to give, so here we go again:

Unlocks have been unbanned previously. When unlocks were unbanned, they , like the unbalanced pieces of shits they are, were used in every scrim, mix, and official you could play. Therefore you had no choice as to if you wanted to play WITH them or not, because you would always have to play AGAINST them. Therefore you had to run an equaliser soldier to mid to have the same health, if you wanted any chance at winning them that is.

Quoted from Tornf4lk

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The reason you’re forced to play with them is because they are so unbalanced that anyone without them would fall behind. Still, you are correct that my wording may not have given the message I wanted to give, so here we go again:

Unlocks have been unbanned previously. When unlocks were unbanned, they , like the unbalanced pieces of shits they are, were used in every scrim, mix, and official you could play. Therefore you had no choice as to if you wanted to play WITH them or not, because you would always have to play AGAINST them. Therefore you had to run an equaliser soldier to mid to have the same health, if you wanted any chance at winning them that is.

This is completely different if the unlocks allowed are sidegrades instead of direct upgrades from vanilla. Equalizer is a direct upgrade, but boston basher, gunboats, overdose, pain train are all side grades and valid ones at that, with balanced advantages/disadvantages from the vanilla ones. I can’t see why sidegrade unlocks shouldn’t bee allowed

Besides, you are complaining about being forced to use the equalizer to match the opposite team, that’s hardly a bad thing, I would think it’s good to be forced to use the equalizer (as a soldier) as it’s a direct upgrade from vanilla, despite the matter of being balanced or not.

Quoted from herpderp

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TL;DR Use the search function you lazy twit.

I have been registered here for more than 2 years, despite only really being active the past few months I have already seen this debate countless times, I don’t need to do that research, I am using a current topic for the discussion of it, would you mind not going down the insult alley?

Jesus christ, sometimes this community really reminds me of the LOL community and how much I will never play that game