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What is the reason for banning The Detonator? Any admin thoughts about this?

Compared to other banned weapons, it doesn`t have any big flaws.

The rest of the list is fine, gj guys :)

Quoted from ashkan

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The detonator is not banned.

But it is mentioned in the original post for some reason.

Quoted from Vasa_kot

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But it is mentioned in the original post for some reason.

The bans for season 2 have not been decided yet (it wasn’t banned last season either). We wanted to take the opportunity to open up for discussion on some unlocks (feedback we can use in our decision making), hence this thread.

It was mentioned in the original post:

Quoted from Hildreth

Use this thread to discuss unlock for season 2 of Highlander. Below are some suggestions on unlocks to discuss:

– The Enforcer (note: has been changed in the beta)
– Machina
– Pomson 6000
– Philogistinator
– Spy-cicle
– The Detonator

At this stage, unlock rules for season 2 have not been decided.

The thread will be closely moderated and punishments given out relatively easily. Keep it civil.

Quoted from JDx

Alot of blabla

The main reason for playing competitive in the HL league is fun. It’s fun to test your own gaming skills and to work as a team. To be able to compete and test each others abilities, you need even ground and rules to even things out. But some of the ingame weapons are very unbalanced, or distracting, creating a luck factor. This means that those weapons block the ablity for teams to compete on a skill based manner. And so they get banned. Most of the ingame weapons however are allowed :)

Quoted from JDx

To the owners of this league:
I am strongly against making restrictions on unlocks, no matter how whiny people get about them.
The moment you make items restrictions in pro leagues, you change the game drasticly from what 99 precent of the community used to and love. Changing the game drasticly like that, extremly lowers this league rating and popularity among 99 precent of the common players in tf2. When you dont have community to watch your league, you will not earn money from this league, as pro league is not for the pro’s , but for the common players..

the right way, in case you feel there is imbalance in the game , is to contact valve and ask them to fix it – after proving them the imbalnces.

to be honest, I do if I were in your position, I would do whats the majority of the community wants, and not what bunch of newbies-pro-wannabes want

The moment you put a game into a competitive format you change it from what people are used to. You decide what size a team should be and what class restrictions you have. This changes the game in a much greater way than any unlock ban can.

Competitive tf2 is for those players that look for something more, for the players that want to escape from the randomness public playing is/has become. It becomes about teamwork and coordination. It’s also for this reason that we change some of the variables, like no crits and no damagespread.

As for unlocks, when some are overpowered or not beneficiery in a teamplay environment I feel it is our duty to restrict them. Contacting valve about them isn’t feasible as this route takes months with no guarantees and some unlocks are just inherently broken and can only be fixed by making them into completely different weapons.

You’re claim that we change the game 99% of people love is also somewhat bogus as every few weeks new unlocks get thrown on the community whether we like them or not. A lot of players have gotten tired of having to play a different game every time valve decides to add something. I for one don’t enjoy the vast majority of recent unlocks, the last new set I thoroughly enjoyed was the first engineer update. It is for players like myself that this league was made. For those that want to play with some restrictions, for those that stopped enjoying what public play has become.

It is a pretty well known aspect from game-theory that a game needs fixed rules, valve has clearly violated this rule in its own game. We try to find a balance between allowing most unlocks but keeping the meta-game more or less intact. When an unlock breaks this, I feel it is our duty to ban it.

Quoted from trams

The Enforcer, you shouldt be able to go on a kill streak with medic kritzing a spy, ban.

Now seriously how often have you seen this?
I’m not gonna lie but most the things people say the enforcer should be banned for sound stupid. If a medic is kritzing the spy im just gonna lol.
And also on that argument you should ban huntsman? because your able to go on a killing spree with a kritzing medic?

@ Jazz – I don`t understand why are you pushing this Enforcer thing so much? You don`t seem as a stupid guy, so why don`t you accept it is overpowered in every possible way? Light classes getting gunned down with two shots is not a small thing. As a Medic player in HL I had problems with that weapon, and so did others, no matter which division we are talking about. Your reply that a Spy has to be in close range is… funny at least, because that class is supposed to be in close range anyway. I can go on about this, but I would just repeat what people said before.

Banning that weapon is not a random decision, just check comments about it on the last 3 pages. People said so many good points about it, yet you keep continuing the discussion for some reason. Give it a rest man…