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Enforcer, Liberty Launcher, Degreaser, Wrangler, Tomislav, Shortstop.

Nah Ashkan is just biased cos he plays Spy so he don’t want enforcer banned. :D

And when we debated unlocks it was simply just the opinion of half a dozen admins, basically we needed to list every unlock and then decide whether it is OP or game changing and only thing we realised was we just don’t know without actually playing the game and seeing how a certain weapon affects play.

Also I am of the opinion that certain weapons are OP and allow less skilled people to use a weapon to make up for their lack of skill. Weapons like the Enforcer and Liberty Launcher do seem a bit powerful but I am a fan of seeing how this actually affects play in a competitive format rather than look at public play to judge a weapon. Think what Ashkan is trying to say is why not try and see how a weapon changes the game opposed to banning change. How the game develops.

make whitelist pls, need to upload to server

i have no clue which weapons are “before” and “after” update

Quoted from FAINTAYDAYDAYDAYDAYD

Moral of the story. TF2 is perfect and nothing is overpowered/underpowered or it would be fixed, by Ashkan.

I’m not sure what the reasoning is behind this statement. I could find no basis for it in my post, so please elaborate.

I would also appreciate it if you specified what your definition of “overpowered” is, so we’re on the same page.

When valve used to take their time with developing the game, the majority of weapons/additions were fine. As soon as they opened the floodgates to get as many unlocks in the game as possible, relying on valve to make everything balanced went out of the window.

You are claiming that before Valve increased their release rate, a significant number of unlocks were not fine. You also claim that the after they increased their release rate, things became much worse.

However, practically all of the experienced Highlander players that I have spoken to have at most wanted a few weapons (3-5) banned, most of which were new weapons. And now, some of those weapons don’t even show up in these conversations. How come? Did players learn to handle/accept those new unlocks? Did Valve nerf them? In either case, your argument is a gross exaggeration and does not hold true, based on experience.

Quoted from Comedian

still, the cow wrangler should be removed purely because of the fact that on some graphical settings (not sure which ones exactly, dont have any fps configs installed so even in the vanilla game its kinda whack) the particle effects aren’t shown, makes it extremely frustrating to play against, especially as a pyro (and i main pub pyro)

As Hildreth says, it has to be more common than that. We tried searching the Steam forums some time after the weapon was released to see if people had problems with it, but we could barely find anything relevant. Maybe we could try again. Any reports would be greatly appreciated.

Quoted from Vali

I’m not sure if there’s a single part of this post that doesn’t make me question your validity to be someone making these kinds of decisions.

Please elaborate and specify what it is that you find unreasonable.

Quoted from AnimaL

make whitelist pls, need to upload to server

i have no clue which weapons are “before” and “after” update

There are currently no weapons “after” as there’s been no update yet ;)

Just ban the wrangler already. It’s so painfully overpowered, boring, stupid and skill-less that I really have trouble comprehending why anyone would seriously defend it.

The are other weapons that a pretty stupid too, but at least they don’t force the entire enemy team to focus all their fire to take down a lvl 1 sentry being controlled by some guy wrankling off in a corner.

Quoted from GuyFawkes381

The Reserve Shooter is of questionable fairness in my opinion, but only so because the pyro can use to gain an easy crit with an extremely low and unsportsmanly modicum of skill (airblast + Q + Click)

Although that’s roughly the same reason one might hate the axtinguisher, I think that poor melee detection and a more limited range than a shotgun balance out that unfavorable Axe. The shooter, on the other hand, crits without much reason if it should so much as notice a jumping Scout.

The reserve shooter is a solly weapon…

Quoted from GuyFawkes381

Definetely ban the wrangler.

The Reserve Shooter is of questionable fairness in my opinion, but only so because the pyro can use to gain an easy crit with an extremely low and unsportsmanly modicum of skill (airblast + Q + Click)

Although that’s roughly the same reason one might hate the axtinguisher, I think that poor melee detection and a more limited range than a shotgun balance out that unfavorable Axe. The shooter, on the other hand, crits without much reason if it should so much as notice a jumping Scout.

Wrangler doesn’t need to be banned. It gives the engie a chance when being attacked. Requires some skill to use that wrangler.

I do still agree with the reserve shooter. Just seems too powerful for its own good and can chop down a heavy way to easily and I still think its op.