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i got banned by posting a youtube link in chat once :'(

where is natural birth freedom?

ps. ban loveclop

cya

Speculations suggest that ebola originated in tf2c

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making up the rules on the go to get away from responsibilities for fucking something up is ̶s̶o̶ ̶o̶v̶e̶r̶u̶s̶e̶d̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶s̶e̶ ̶d̶a̶y̶s̶ classical etf2l. The question is whether tf2center would be able to reach as high in their desperate endeavours.

I think you are mixing up two different things. There is doing the right thing even though it isn’t described anywhere, and there is abusing your powers for your own personal benefit.

Organisations like tf2c and etf2l are often faced with situations that aren’t necessarily covered by the rules but need resolving anyway. And yes, in case of a dispute between two teams this tends to mean that the outcome is less favourable for one of them. I don’t think etf2l has seen serious admin abuse since the days of gryzor. Luckily the majority of currently active players don’t even know who that is! Etf2l have removed admins from their staff on a few occasions and this to me indicates that they do care at least a little about the quality of their staff.

I have yet to see tf2c actually deal with any of the repeating abuse.

Does not matter what he/she has done for the site. If he is actively hurting the project there is no reason not to remove their rights.

Also because tf2center is so aids, ill remind that there still is http://tf2pickup.net/ that happens to actually host proper games without someones ability to just shut down server after 1st round loss.

hi

Hi guys.

This is not a defence of Tereza’s actions and I’ll post about that separately once we’ve discussed it fully internally, but just a general response to this whole thread. I came here to post about the incident that started off this latest round of activity. Then I read the replies. And it is not on.

Firstly, do let me apologise. For the last year, a large number of people have devoted tens of hours per week to this project. Latest estimates are that our expenses are around $3000-5000, all paid for by own own team members, all voluntarily and happily done. Not to mention the time put in by our willing and dedicated moderator team, and our head admins. I’m sorry that our efforts aren’t good enough for you.

In that time, we’ve had a few issues with people abusing admin powers. I can think of a few pretty major ones, that we probably could have handled better. Maybe a handful of problems over the last year. Over the last 100,000+ games.

The site has some negative players on it, sure. We wanted the community to help govern itself (you know, how most communities do). We give lobby leaders the knowledge and powers to deal with this themselves (reliability and restrictions, for example), yet only around 1 in 10 lobbies have restrictions on them. I’m sorry that we are not doing more to stop these rage quitters, when 9 out of 10 lobby leaders can’t be bothered to click an extra button or two.

I’m sorry that the quality of player hasn’t lived up to your expectations. We’re doing our best to bring new blood into the TF2 competitive community, and its amazing to find these new players aren’t premiership quality at their first attempt. But the way that some people, including some that have been posting in this thread, treat them is downright abusive. Yes, a medic dropped uber because he’s learning the game. I’m sure that warrants him being reported, insulted and discouraged from playing again.

I’m not demanding the community to respect us. Hell, I’m not even expecting it. Respect is earned, and I totally understand why the actions of the collective admin team haven’t earned your respect. But it’s easy to throw stones isn’t it, especially when you don’t understand (know? care?) about how much effort goes in behind the scenes. There are players in this thread that don’t play because ‘TF2C is aids’. Yet those same players have hundreds of matches played in TF2C.

We the developers, and the admin team, and the moderators, all devote our time happily to this project. But over the last few days various members of the team have read this thread, and our overwhelming feeling is “Why do we bother?”. And right now, I don’t know the answer.

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it’s easy to throw stones isn’t it, especially when you don’t understand (know? care?) about how much effort goes in behind the scenes

True for many here, but -and I don’t say this to brag- I’ve been involved in numerous projects in my years as a tf2 player, I do understand there is often a lot more to stuff like this than meets the eye, but your approach to this situation is, with all due respect, entirely bullshit. You wrote a giant post victimising yourself as Kaneco pointed out, but really all you had to do was spend 1 minute kicking 2 people from your staff.

People who are saying “tf2c is aids” and stuff along those lines are clearly exaggerating, but there *is* a reason why they have come to the forums just to post that. Yes you guys have a done an awful lot of work and I promise you everyone here appreciates that, but some of your staff members *are* making a fool of themselves and their hard working colleagues, there’s no way around that.

If you really feel so victimised perhaps the time has come to take some action.

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