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Ask kaidus for the temps, he’s usually there.

Quoted from Head Hunter

A decent team of friends may be carrying a weak link who can’t compete at that level by themselves.

I’ve never sucked any high players dicks, I’ve never played a pickup, still went from div 6 to div1.

GOTCHA

Quoted from Mark

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GOTCHA

Story of your life isn’t it. But it’s okay, we enjoy carrying you.

And Byte, I was under the impression we only had to message an admin if a player underperformed and not if he was doing well (Setlet for example).

But Skeej is right. Go play in pixel pickup and get that active again. A lot of players did the same years ago with the multiplay pug channel. I played tons of games there until people were like “yeah he can play pug2 now”. Kaidus also played a lot of games there. And Fragga (:D). I’m sure there are plenty more examples.

I also agree that div1+ is auto perm invite. But div2 just is too big of a gap to be just auto-invited.

Curt asked me yesterday if I wanted an invite. I haven’t heard anything since.

hi ETF2L i’m new here don’t forget to check out my stream k thx heres the part relevant to the thread:

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Thursday, November 08, 2012
9:27 PM – Saudi Arabi Money Rich: yo slin, just a quick question cause i have a problem over here :D Basiclly whats happening atm is that we have hard times filling our invite only and open pugs with people that are willing to play and i was just wondering how you guys managed to always have pugs going on and keep people playing
9:27 PM – Saudi Arabi Money Rich: what systems you use
9:27 PM – Saudi Arabi Money Rich: or maybe if you run competitions
9:27 PM – Saudi Arabi Money Rich: idk
9:27 PM – Saudi Arabi Money Rich: :D
9:27 PM – Saudi Arabi Money Rich: ipz here btw :)
Saudi Arabi Money Rich has changed their name to cc//ipz-.
9:27 PM – MR SLIN: sup ipz
9:27 PM – MR SLIN: uhhh
9:27 PM – MR SLIN: well
9:27 PM – MR SLIN: which do you want to start with
9:27 PM – MR SLIN: or both?
9:28 PM – cc//ipz-: everything :)
9:28 PM – MR SLIN: well
9:28 PM – cc//ipz-: gonna link you a forum topic to it
9:28 PM – MR SLIN: shit if anything you’d think that your pugs would fill faster
9:28 PM – cc//ipz-: http://etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-23331/page-1/
9:28 PM – MR SLIN: your viewership for invite matches is way superior to ours
9:28 PM – MR SLIN: i think i saw like
9:28 PM – MR SLIN: for the match today or yesterday for you
9:28 PM – MR SLIN: there was like 900 people watching
9:28 PM – cc//ipz-: ye
9:28 PM – MR SLIN: it was insane
9:28 PM – cc//ipz-: sometimes
9:28 PM – cc//ipz-: noone knows why
9:28 PM – cc//ipz-: we get 2.5k
9:28 PM – cc//ipz-: :D
9:29 PM – MR SLIN: ya thats awesome
9:29 PM – cc//ipz-: its silly
9:29 PM – MR SLIN: so i have no idea why you have a hard time filling pugs
9:29 PM – MR SLIN: unless the pug culture is bad
9:29 PM – cc//ipz-: but our community doesnt seem to be intrested in any pug system
9:29 PM – MR SLIN: do people offclass and make it not fun
9:29 PM – cc//ipz-: nah
9:29 PM – cc//ipz-: like
9:29 PM – MR SLIN: well at least they watch games our community is not interested in watching matches
9:30 PM – cc//ipz-: mhhhh
9:30 PM – cc//ipz-: yeah
9:30 PM – cc//ipz-: people just dont play
9:30 PM – MR SLIN: ya or no
9:30 PM – MR SLIN: lol
9:30 PM – cc//ipz-: and if we ply
9:30 PM – cc//ipz-: we have like 2-3 invite pugs a day
9:30 PM – cc//ipz-: and the open ones are empty
9:30 PM – cc//ipz-: but it seems like
9:31 PM – cc//ipz-: that the NA community just really likes to play
9:31 PM – cc//ipz-: and i heard you had like pug competions
9:31 PM – MR SLIN: we do but its not as often as you’d think
9:31 PM – MR SLIN: and the pugs are mostly filled by
9:32 PM – MR SLIN: people who are teamless and dont get to play otherwise
9:32 PM – cc//ipz-: the link i gave you discribes the mood in the community really good
9:32 PM – cc//ipz-: good people not willing to play with “shitters”
9:32 PM – MR SLIN: ya
9:32 PM – MR SLIN: its kind of the same here
9:32 PM – cc//ipz-: and shitters not willing to play anything but invite pugs
9:32 PM – cc//ipz-: …
9:32 PM – cc//ipz-: so noone plays
9:32 PM – cc//ipz-: how is this captain mode thingy working?
9:32 PM – MR SLIN: basically
9:32 PM – cc//ipz-: if you have somthing better to do atm just go for it :D
9:32 PM – MR SLIN: we dont have limits on our channels
9:32 PM – cc//ipz-: dont want to steal your time
9:32 PM – cc//ipz-: hehe
9:32 PM – MR SLIN: anyone of any level
9:32 PM – MR SLIN: can add up to the pug
9:33 PM – MR SLIN: we have 2 pug channels with different levels per say
9:33 PM – MR SLIN: that people sort of sort themselves out to
9:33 PM – MR SLIN: the lower channel has a captain system
9:33 PM – MR SLIN: and then if anyone gets fatkidded
9:33 PM – MR SLIN: they’re guaranteed to play the next pug
9:33 PM – MR SLIN: you can only add up as 1 class
9:33 PM – MR SLIN: and captain
9:33 PM – MR SLIN: if you add captain the system randomly chooses 2
9:33 PM – MR SLIN: thats #tf2mix
9:33 PM – MR SLIN: the other one is #tf2.pug.na
9:34 PM – MR SLIN: and that one is purely captain
9:34 PM – MR SLIN: so if you get fatkidded you may not play at all
9:34 PM – MR SLIN: ever
9:34 PM – MR SLIN: depending on who captains
9:34 PM – MR SLIN: now
9:34 PM – MR SLIN: the way it works is
9:34 PM – MR SLIN: if you pick a team that loses 0-5
9:34 PM – MR SLIN: cause we play first to 5 in NA
9:34 PM – MR SLIN: then you’re banned from captain for a day
9:34 PM – MR SLIN: this is to discourage people from picking shit teams
9:34 PM – MR SLIN: but the thing about pug.na is
9:34 PM – MR SLIN: the pugs deteriorate
9:35 PM – MR SLIN: depending on how many people add up
9:35 PM – MR SLIN: if not many
9:35 PM – MR SLIN: the pug is usually bad
9:35 PM – MR SLIN: if good people are added
9:35 PM – MR SLIN: more people are encouraged to add cause they see that good people are added
9:35 PM – MR SLIN: thats sort of how it works
9:35 PM – MR SLIN: and i dunno i wouldn’t say the pug community here is fantastic
9:35 PM – MR SLIN: like i said its mostly people without teams
9:35 PM – MR SLIN: and pugs straight up die except for the lowbies during scrim times
9:36 PM – MR SLIN: theres a 3rd channel not run by the 6v6 community called
9:36 PM – MR SLIN: #tf2.pug.nahl
9:36 PM – MR SLIN: thats for highlander
9:36 PM – MR SLIN: and they’re a bit weird but
9:36 PM – MR SLIN: they fill pugs throughout the night
9:36 PM – MR SLIN: they’ll start around 11pm est
9:36 PM – MR SLIN: and go until 5am est
9:36 PM – cc//ipz-: :D
9:36 PM – MR SLIN: 6v6 pugs go from 6pm est until 1am est
9:36 PM – MR SLIN: so yea
9:36 PM – MR SLIN: and then lobbies which we all know
9:36 PM – MR SLIN: but
9:36 PM – MR SLIN: i dunno why you guys would have problems with your open pugs
9:37 PM – MR SLIN: unless you dont use captain
9:37 PM – MR SLIN: in which case no wonder
9:37 PM – MR SLIN: i’m looking at the OP
9:37 PM – MR SLIN: and i think its silly to have limits on who can even join the channel
9:37 PM – MR SLIN: the whole point of the captain system is to sort people
9:37 PM – MR SLIN: and sorting on top of a sort is redundant
9:38 PM – cc//ipz-: yeah that was exactly why i asked you, to find out what this captain system is doing, and yes its really silly to have it closed
9:38 PM – MR SLIN: yeah
9:38 PM – MR SLIN: cause if you wanna get multiple pugs going at once
9:38 PM – MR SLIN: which we rarely do
9:38 PM – MR SLIN: you gotta open it up to everyone
9:38 PM – MR SLIN: and trust that the captain system will work itself out
9:38 PM – MR SLIN: people wont pick the baddies they’ll pick the best options
9:38 PM – cc//ipz-: ofc yeah
9:39 PM – cc//ipz-: well thats something to think about i guess for us
9:39 PM – cc//ipz-: to improve
9:39 PM – MR SLIN: also our pug bot is interesting in that it crashes if more than like 24 add so its rather silly but we never really ever get there
9:39 PM – cc//ipz-: :D
9:39 PM – MR SLIN: k and then invite pugs
9:39 PM – MR SLIN: its run by a dedicated person who everyone thinks is good
9:39 PM – MR SLIN: in this case b4nny
9:39 PM – MR SLIN: hes always on
9:39 PM – MR SLIN: and hes always good
9:39 PM – MR SLIN: you’ve seen the streams before right?
9:39 PM – MR SLIN: everyone hops in mumble
9:40 PM – MR SLIN: in spectator
9:40 PM – MR SLIN: first 2 to hop in get medic
9:40 PM – MR SLIN: ubersaw fight to decide first pick
9:40 PM – MR SLIN: then 1-2-2-2-2-1
9:40 PM – MR SLIN: er w/e
9:40 PM – MR SLIN: i missed a 2
9:40 PM – cc//ipz-: yeah
9:40 PM – cc//ipz-: we call it “spec attack”
9:40 PM – cc//ipz-: :D
9:40 PM – MR SLIN: yea
9:40 PM – MR SLIN: its that simple
9:40 PM – MR SLIN: the problem we’ve had lately is
9:40 PM – MR SLIN: we had them like literally every night
9:40 PM – MR SLIN: people started taking them for granted
9:40 PM – MR SLIN: dicking around
9:40 PM – MR SLIN: using banned weapons
9:41 PM – MR SLIN: so b4nny has cancelled invite pugs starting this week for the next few weeks
9:41 PM – cc//ipz-: :/
9:41 PM – MR SLIN: that way everyone will not take it for granted and play them seriously
9:41 PM – MR SLIN: other than that its fine
9:41 PM – cc//ipz-: so its like our doublemixes basiclly
9:41 PM – cc//ipz-: thing is , how do you keep people from offclassing
9:41 PM – cc//ipz-: like
9:41 PM – cc//ipz-: is not playing at all the only way to like
9:41 PM – cc//ipz-: handle that problem in the end?
9:42 PM – cc//ipz-: cause thats what they do in our late night double mixes
9:42 PM – cc//ipz-: just offclass and fool arround
9:42 PM – cc//ipz-: and the next day they open a forum thread about to few pug2s happening
9:42 PM – cc//ipz-: …
9:44 PM – MR SLIN: lol
9:44 PM – MR SLIN: the most important part is to have a respected member of the community as the pug leader
9:44 PM – MR SLIN: and he sets the tone
9:44 PM – MR SLIN: no bullshit
9:44 PM – MR SLIN: and also these things tend to circle jerk so
9:44 PM – MR SLIN: if one captain is part of a circle jerk
9:44 PM – MR SLIN: he might pick his circle jerk friends
9:44 PM – MR SLIN: who will also dick around
9:44 PM – MR SLIN: ban that fucker
9:45 PM – MR SLIN: or get someone else to medic
9:45 PM – MR SLIN: who will take it seriously
9:45 PM – MR SLIN: and the reason i say have a pug leader is
9:45 PM – MR SLIN: that person has to be a tryhard
9:45 PM – MR SLIN: then everyone else will tryhard
9:49 PM – MR SLIN LFT: whos your best player
9:49 PM – MR SLIN LFT: in ETF2L
9:49 PM – MR SLIN LFT: who plays the most
9:49 PM – MR SLIN LFT: who everyone likes
9:49 PM – MR SLIN LFT: also
9:49 PM – MR SLIN LFT: is your invite pug system closed
9:49 PM – MR SLIN LFT: or do you use irc
9:49 PM – MR SLIN LFT: the double mixes
9:50 PM – cc//ipz-: doublemixes is circle jerk only
9:50 PM – cc//ipz-: and the pug2
9:50 PM – cc//ipz-: the invite pug
9:50 PM – cc//ipz-: is closed
9:50 PM – MR SLIN LFT: k yea keep it that way
9:51 PM – MR SLIN LFT: steam group only
9:51 PM – MR SLIN LFT: anyways
9:51 PM – MR SLIN LFT: get your best ETF2L player to step it up
9:51 PM – MR SLIN LFT: tryhard
9:51 PM – MR SLIN LFT: and everyone else will tryhard
9:51 PM – MR SLIN LFT: he doesn’t have to main class
9:51 PM – MR SLIN LFT: b4nny never plays demo
9:51 PM – MR SLIN LFT: but he has to play the offclasses well and comm like hes in a match
9:52 PM – cc//ipz-: ye
9:53 PM – cc//ipz-: thanks a lot :D
9:53 PM – cc//ipz-: maybe we can get some nice ideas now
9:53 PM – cc//ipz-: and not just people whining about not getting invited etc
9:53 PM – cc//ipz-: there are people
9:54 PM – cc//ipz-: loosing all there games in div1
9:54 PM – cc//ipz-: so they are div2
9:54 PM – cc//ipz-: but they claim to be div1 and pug2 invite worthy
9:54 PM – cc//ipz-: its silly :D
9:54 PM – MR SLIN LFT: ya i mean thats dumb
9:54 PM – MR SLIN LFT: like
9:54 PM – MR SLIN LFT: look at the invite pugs
9:54 PM – MR SLIN LFT: decimate and shrugger arent even on teams but they’re among the first people to get picked in pugs cause
9:54 PM – MR SLIN LFT: like shrugger for example almost always plays his main
9:54 PM – MR SLIN LFT: and its fun to play when the scouts are tryharding and hitting every shot
9:55 PM – MR SLIN LFT: nobody wants to offclass against that its no fun
9:55 PM – MR SLIN LFT: and they’re always first picked cause they’re trying hard and raping
9:58 PM – cc//ipz-: basiclly
9:59 PM – cc//ipz-: out of 12 people in pug2, 8 are offclassing
9:59 PM – cc//ipz-: i guess
9:59 PM – cc//ipz-: if they just make it an strict onclass pug
9:59 PM – cc//ipz-: it would work out way better
9:59 PM – cc//ipz-: like
9:59 PM – cc//ipz-: i am always playing main
9:59 PM – cc//ipz-: and lately i hate fucking playing pugs
9:59 PM – cc//ipz-: cause i have everyone arround me offclassing
9:59 PM – cc//ipz-: and as a soldier
9:59 PM – cc//ipz-: you just die if you dont have any teamplay going on
10:00 PM – cc//ipz-: i just dont enjoy it at all that way
10:00 PM – cc//ipz-: sry for my poor english btw, im from germany :))
10:00 PM – MR SLIN LFT: naw your english is very good
10:00 PM – MR SLIN LFT: very understandable
10:00 PM – MR SLIN LFT: but
10:00 PM – MR SLIN LFT: actually
10:00 PM – MR SLIN LFT: in invite pugs NA
10:00 PM – MR SLIN LFT: people tend to offclass too
10:01 PM – MR SLIN LFT: especially when IM players get involved
10:01 PM – MR SLIN LFT: but
10:01 PM – MR SLIN LFT: the offclassing isnt whats important
10:01 PM – MR SLIN LFT: its the tryharding
10:01 PM – MR SLIN LFT: as long as you tryhard on an offclass its good
10:01 PM – MR SLIN LFT: cause people want to offclass in pugs
10:01 PM – MR SLIN LFT: it lets you learn different perspectives on the game
10:01 PM – MR SLIN LFT: get into the heads of the other classes
10:01 PM – MR SLIN LFT: but you dont learn anything unless the pug is competitive
10:01 PM – MR SLIN LFT: and balanced

thoughts?

I’d agree, but the open systems are even less active than the invite.

Quoted from envy

Talking about open pugs, 3/4 of the community don’t even speak English on the level to make basic calls. That’s why national pug channels are always more populated / active, than european ones, just like in most other games. End of the story.

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join pickup2 -> type !sc !afk -> ruin the pickup -> leave it. this is how it works