Staff Changes, Premiership Drama & Rule Change

Date May 23, 2013

Staff Changes

Priorities change for everyone at some point and the time has come for several staff members to move on. We would like to thank them all for the time and effort they put into this league and wish they succeed in their future projects, be it in real life or in another game.

  • Germany phife
  • UnitedKingdom DeusVox
  • Poland freshmeatt
  • Poland AeZ!
  • Germany Panromir

Our Anti-Cheat trial admins have proven to be hard working and devoted to catching cheaters, and we are happy to welcome them as full members of our Anti-Cheat staff.

  • Germany smziii
  • Germany quintosh

Crack Clan vs Vinland Incident

During their Week 3 Premiership match, France The frenchy survived had requested to play with higher FOV enabled via a server plugin and European Team Infused refused, as permitted by our rules. Unhappy with their decision, Finland Darn from France The frenchy survived insulted the other team in Finnish, but started the match regardless. However, it was clear from the get-go that Finland Darn wasn’t up to playing and after 4 rounds he simply quit the the game, abruptly terminating a match that was being casted by both VanillaTV and TeamFortressTV, with more than 400 people watching.

Finland Darn‘s behavior was highly disrespectful towards his opponents, the casters, the spectators and his own team. For insulting the other team with comments of a racially abusive nature and disrupting a live casted Premiership match, he receives a one-match ban, and France The frenchy survived will be warned for flaming.

A Rule Change

Originally we had allowed teams to raise the FOV cap upon mutual agreement, but it is now clear how this exception can cause unnecessary confusion and conflict. As such, using server plugins to achieve a higher FOV is no longer allowed, regardless of whether both teams agree on its use.

Usage of server plugins to raise the FOV cap is now covered by General Rule 5.4 Unusual server settings may be considered cheating, and may result in the match result being refused and the teams involved receiving penalties.


  1. alba: TBC said:

    Great decision!

  2. Admirable: (Toucan Ambassador) said:

    No ban for ipz?! Admin circlejerk.

  3. kaidus: 7 - WiK? said:

    autobots: cheesy but distasteful nicknames in a div 2 game – thrown out of the league

    vinland: high profile racist abuse + utter destruction of a premiership spectacle in front of 500 people – minor warning

    Jolly good!

  4. CanFo: (Legend) - [HA] - #T4F said:

    Did we ban a player of autobots as well?

  5. freshmeatt: ‹Con› - One punch man said:

    Oh shit, I almost had a heart-attack, ’cause I thought this is a ban post.

  6. Bathory said:

    And nothing for the permatroll from CC ?
    You really have “your heads” …

  7. achy said:

    1 match ban for racist and abusive language? Really?

  8. bellum: fgt said:

    premdiv 2013
    no wonder this game can’t be a major esport

  9. Kaneco said:

    “2.5 Abusive chat, nicknames and avatars are not welcome

    Try not to use the chat function during a match unless it is in a positive manner. Any offensive chat as well as spamming binds may lead to a warning for your team. Chat abuse and racist or offensive names/steam avatars will not be tolerated and may be punished with warnings or bans.”

    One sided ban for a two-sided discussion, great!

  10. smziii: (Legendary Ratehacks) - SVIFT said:

    ty for not banning darn or people would have been like OMG CC FORCED BAN ON DARN

  11. Will said:

    “vinland will be warned for flaming.”


  12. jakeowaty: .awkward said:

    Where is the monkey gif? ;-;

  13. kaidus: 7 - WiK? said:

    “Did we ban a player of autobots as well?”

    Ye, a player who has openly admitted he will when 91+ fov will be completely banned. Really ballsy move there lads!

  14. dAGNER: SVIFT said:

    All that’s left now is for cc to admit that this had nothing to do with handicapping their own team but rather crippling vinnland.
    They need to admit that the first thing that popped into their heads when they saw the TFTrue request wasn’t “Oh no, it’ll hold us back” but rather
    “This looks like a great opportunity to disarm darn!”. (Which they’ve basically endorsed already)
    I’d have a lot more respect for ipz if he’d just admit that he’s villainous and doesn’t care, rather than trying to act like there was nothing wrong with
    what they did. Then cc can remove all pretences and assume their new role as the boogie-man of prem.
    But I guess you can’t really do that with such a big org breathing down your neck.

  15. kaidus: 7 - WiK? said:

    *he will quit

  16. Spike Himself: TC said:

    Kaidus, during the autobots incident, ETF2L had different head and league admins. It is also a long time ago (as implied). At the time, the staff discussed that issue and made a decision that seemed correct then (whether or not it was in hindsight is completely irrelevant).

    Same story now. Different admins, relatively different ruleset, different point in time.

    ETF2L has and always will continue to better itself. That isn’t a process that has a finish line. There will never be a point in time where we can say “There, we’ve done it, we are perfect now”, nor should we want that – there are always things we can improve on and we will always strive for exactly that.

    To throw in an incidentally relevant example: Between then and now, one of the more significant rule changes include the Premiership-only ruleset, which exists primarily with casting professionalism in mind. Two years ago (give or take) we didn’t really care what name you called yourself in a prem game, or when you would schedule your game, or how awkward you’d make it for casting organisations to keep up and arrange their stuff, etc., etc..

    Also I think it’s worth mentioning that the autobots incident involved offensive behaviour aimed at a member of staff. That is simply unacceptable. We are merely volunteers, after all.

    Constructive criticism is welcome. Misinformed jabs such as the post this is a reply to, less so – it doesn’t achieve much other than waste time of the admin to get baited (fml).

  17. AnimaL said:

    wp cc

  18. AnimaL said:

    on same note, cc started game with fake names yet no warnings, whats up with that?

  19. Quell: GoodE said:

    shame about the plugin for the rest of the hackers.

    seems it should be fine if both teams agree.. just cause one child reacted immaturely shouldnt mean the possibility is removed for everyone else.

    not that i use it, but this is a sign of weakness from etf2l.

  20. beach: [DA] - [AD] said:

    Good decision on the plugin

  21. Ordinator: tuhi said:

    “on same note, cc started game with fake names yet no warnings, whats up with that?”
    ipz german friend aka sonnyblack will cover their asses. so they can troll, fakenick, enforce rules where its clearly not necessary

  22. Linus: [d¿s] - 007 said:

    The weakness was etf2l not either fully allowing or disallowing it until now.

  23. TviQ: ft. - 007 said:

    sam was using shelikesitrough as his official nickname was reported to admins before the game

  24. MInd: Lutunen - [hePPa] said:

    Fucking retarded shit from both cc and darn…

  25. SuperGunnar: KK - KOS said:

    Does this mean that it is not allowed to have TFTrue on servers?

  26. .kr4tos: (ETF2L Donator) - Gaston - DGB said:

    “Does this mean that it is not allowed to have TFTrue on servers?”

    -> no ofc you can still use TFTrue on your server! its just not alowed to use a FOV Plugin on your server.

    good decision imo!

  27. Night said:

    You can still compile and use OpenPlugin though ^^

  28. doks said:

    “vinland: high profile racist abuse”
    that made me fell off the chair.
    anyway assholes everywhere on etf2l.

  29. Skyride: DUCS said:

    Darn is a competitor. As a competitor, you do your best to put yourself in the optimal position to win. It was pretty clear to everyone with more than 3 brain cells that higher FoV was going the way of the dinosaur eventually, so any reasonable competitor should have been switching, or at least preparing themselves for the possibility that he might not be able to play with a higher FoV. That’s what every other player who’d previously been using OpenPlugin did.

    The example here I’d use is that fighting game tournaments have been using PS3 even though Xbox clearly runs the gamer better. The players don’t play on Xbox then through a tantrum when they get to the event, they get a PS3, practice on that at home, then turn up and play. Sure they’ll complain about it, but when you’re a competitor you’ve got to accept the rules and run with them.

  30. Vlijm: GoT<3 - Soup! said:

    Every ban for racism so far has been 2 months at least and we ban a player for one match? Sounds like a good example for lower div players, you can flame all you want and the worst you get is one match ban.

  31. Tarkus: aHn said:

    Darn‘s behavior was highly disrespectful towards his opponents, the casters, the spectators and his own team. For insulting the other team with comments of a racially abusive nature and disrupting a live casted Premiership match, he receives a one-match ban, and vinland will be warned for flaming.

    Wtf is that shit fuck u all noobs

    darn is the most respecfull men u stupid i kill

  32. kronis: NASA - hi im dog said:

    Agree with Skyride and Vlijm – If you want to show example what happens if you flame, don’t give 1 match ban. You give month or 2 ban to strike fear in players hearts.

    Still – good decision on fov command.

  33. IPZIE: SUAVE said:

    Nice write up ETF2L.
    Welcome quintosh and smzi to the AC staff, good work so far o/

  34. Bighomer: ƒusg said:

    “This looks like a great opportunity to disarm darn!”
    That is all Darn’s problem. You can’t expect a team to allow it.
    Everyone who still plays with a higher fov after openplugin got banned kripples himself because it is disabled on nearly every server by default. Tftrue might have been a good way to play in the first week after but still it was very predictable that you haad to go back to 90fov at some point.
    Also I can understand ipz. why would they allow it if they won’t use it themselves anymore? get used to it or play an other game. Darn’s behavour deserved the reaction.
    And Fov90 has been the limit in tf2 forever. Sneaky players know how to abuse this. higher fov is unnessecary. gj etf2l

  35. Andee: GoT<3 - HoT<3 said:

    You cant discuss the use of the FOV really, it’s a personal thing. And with high resolution you can achieve higher fov’s even without using any plugins. The problem was caused by a somewhat sketchy rule. And this has been dealt with by the admins. So I think they did well here :)

  36. crouton: LEGO said:

    A one match ban in prem is supposed to be a big deal, it just doesn’t feel like it.

  37. ❤ snQx :k said:

    achy: r` said:

    May 23rd, 2013 at 02:40

    1 match ban for racist and abusive language? Really?

    hi taimou

  38. Limp.: EPA said:

    Agree compleatly with viljami, thats ridiculous give him just 1 game ban when before its been much more for racism. Why treat him any different. Thats very “professional” lololol.. irony

  39. cptsrs: moursi said:

    You guys are forgetting that Darn is not going to play without 90+ fov anyway. Why ban him.

  40. Monkeh: .:ne:. - .:ne:. said:

    ha ha, the ban isn’t for racism, it’s for being a childish, immature dick, it’s just there isn’t a rule about being a childish, immature dick so racism will have to do.

    Good job guys, all seems just about right.

  41. wonder said:

    people finally will learn to play on fov 90.

  42. Team mate: pHy said:

    taimou is crying now.

  43. GeaR: Epsilon said:

    Great decision on banning higher fov!

  44. Muerte: elev8 said:

    [quote]You guys are forgetting that Darn is not going to play without 90+ fov anyway.[/quote]

  45. Muerte: elev8 said:


  46. rockie said:

    nice move admins

  47. atmo said:

    nice fast action from the admins

    complainers gonna complain

  48. BAITO: ( ͡~ ͜ʖ ͡9 said:

    1 question here, who the fuck acted as an interpreter here for the finnish words of darn???

  49. Limp.: EPA said:


  50. Toba: (a boT from the North) said:

    Shouldn’t Taimou have a 1 match ban also?

  51. Toba: (a boT from the North) said:

    @ Maitomies

    I think many people can use google translate + 2nuts knew pretty much what he was saying in the match

  52. Demetrius said:

    Anakin or Casual, smart and well-known persons, spent a lot of time to give high fov possibility for any tf2 player. A lot of people try to explain to you that it doesn’t give you any kind of advantage.

    What does the other part of community say? “hackers cheaters learn2play ban fov omg”
    How about some arguments? Who cares. And i’m sure, the most part of that people use that tricky shadow settings to see enemy through walls, or this (thx cc, now i dont need to listen to ingame sounds)

    No respect for fov users opinion, just “learn2play ban fov” and so on.

  53. quintosh: -tt - -chess- said:

    it’s “learn2play ban fov omg”

  54. Muuki: bin - bad said:

    Since everyone apparently wants “professionalism” to be active in this league and in this game, why don’t you enforce for example using proper names? Using a joke/troll name shouldn’t be allowed even if submitted to the admins, I don’t think it looks really professional when 500+ people are watching and your scout is named “xXASSBANGERXx”.

  55. Hallow: KKK - P.O.P said:

    Just have a like 1 name change per year for prem players and all names have to be approved by an admin. No one will call smzi shelikesitrough so it’s fucking retarded to allow him to have that name.

  56. Spike Himself: TC said:

    Noone will call smzi shelikesitrough, but everyone knows that it’s him, and that’s the point of it.

  57. Muuki: bin - bad said:

    No, new viewers will not know it’s smzi, of course all old viewers know everyone who’s fakenicking but if you fall to that excuse, why have the rule in place anyway?

  58. SmitZ said:

    “Shouldn’t Taimou have a 1 match ban also?”


    But on a serious note, this is complete bullshit. Please ban Darn for a more appropriate (much longer) period of time – it can’t be one rule for him and another for everyone else.

  59. Muuki: bin - bad said:

    No need to ban darn, he’s quitting anyway

  60. Casual: prtyboiz - T⑨ said:

    No punishment for unsportsmanship behaviour for CrackClan?!


    Also about the fov rule… Well, you know who to contact…

  61. smziii: (Legendary Ratehacks) - SVIFT said:

    for clarification i asked admins beforehand if i can use that name and they said its fine but i should keep in mind that i cant change it anymore for the rest of the season

    casual aka i produce cheats but i cry about unsportsmanship :D made my day

  62. teaSet said:

    The community is still not mature enough to discuss a rule like the one with the plugin. So I think it was a good move on the FOV plugin.

    On another note, it’s hella funny how the admins handle all sort of racism, trolling and jerking around. Cannot see any sense or like some other prem idiot said: “i cant talk sense into everyone”…he was once right about something.

  63. Toba: (a boT from the North) said:

    So no punishment for Ragequitting a game and not trying to find a merc?

  64. emb: (Site Admin) - ciortai said:

    Taimou had a history of trolling and insulting others spanning over three years, and two permanent forum & comment bans. After the second ban, he changed his team name to a racist statement in defiance, and thus we turned to the last punishment we had left.

    Autobots had 5 players change their nicknames both on the site and in-game, in an act of targeted abuse against one player. If they didn’t already have 4 minor warnings at the time, they would not have been dropped for their offense.

    It’s worth noting that while Darn’s behavior was completely unacceptable, this was his first offense in his multi-year ETF2L history, and his offensive statements appeared to be the result of a single emotional outburst, rather than another entry in a long record of abuse. Comparing this case to that of Autobots or Taimou is completely out of place.

  65. Spike Himself: TC said:

    @Muuki; new viewers won’t know who anyone is. The rule is there mainly for the casters anyway (ie not necessarily the viewers).

  66. Muuki: bin - bad said:

    When I started watching Dota games like 2 weeks ago, I could instantly start recognizing names in different games and started to know them, their playstyles, which heroes they are known for etc. I would never have an idea if they were named in the fashion that happens here.

    Just ditch the “professionalism” idea if you won’t stick to it in all aspects

  67. smziii: (Legendary Ratehacks) - SVIFT said:

    as a frequent dota stream viewer i can tell you that people switch their names like you switch your underwear

    casters just recognize them and their position/heroes cuz dota has way more attenion in comparison to tf2

    PS: pls dont make up more problems in the cc vs vinland game than there actually are, both teams learned a lesson i guess

  68. Quell: GoodE said:

    lol @ people blaming etf2l for this mess.

    etf2l decides to allow people to use their fov hacks if everyone agrees in an attempt to not piss them off. the rules are clear as water

  69. Koeitje: AUTOBOTS said:

    Yes Canfo we all received a ban: our team couldn’t play in the league anymore. While Vinland clearly can.

  70. Koeitje: AUTOBOTS said:

    Guess next time I’ll just go full out racist mode instead of just cheesy trolling, nets you less of a punishment being a racist. Must be your German heritage Canfo?

  71. CanFo: (Legend) - [HA] - #T4F said:

    You are comparing apples with oranges… If you hadn’t had 4 minor warnings for previous rule breaks anyway, you would have been able to continue playing. Also, everyone of you was free to join a different team and play for them in the same season. How is that a ban?
    You are also missing the point with your comment. It was our intention to punish Darn rather than his team, as they seem to be largely innocent. In your case it was 5 of 6 players picking on one player of the enemy team.

    Why is it of relevance that my ancestors came from Denmark and were of jewish belief? I really can not take you serious :D

  72. Vlijm: GoT<3 - Soup! said:

    No need to punish the team
    Just ban the player for more than one match?

  73. r7anfan: ;? said:

    darn is shit and a fucking idiot anyway, same old story

  74. Casual: prtyboiz - T⑨ said:

    Nice one quintosh! That post might not really help in your future career as an etf2l admin. Did you remove it or someone else?

  75. lacrimosa said:

    etf2l – your daily dose of drama

  76. Bathory said:

    “Why is it of relevance that my ancestors came from Denmark and were of jewish belief? I really can not take you serious :D”

    Some jews was in the wehrmacht, what is the problem ?

  77. Leif said:

    1 match ban seems pretty little for acting like that as it has already been said. 2/3 match bans would have been better.
    Also lol @ cc for being the masters of troll but still no warnings.

    Glad for the fov plugin rule.

  78. cube said:

    darn bad aim and rocketjumps anyway

    ban 1 year


    kappa in and out