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Quoted from AnimaL

Can you improve the lightning please?

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Quoted from choiie

Alright, I’ve been tinkering with a new version of Snake, and I’ve got some screenshots while internal testing commences: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=158581334 http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=158581316 http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=158581271

The idea is to make pushing out easier through blocking off sniper sightlines and giving much more room for attackers. Tell me what you think!

If there’s any bugs you’ve find through the almost 2 years (wow!) since the release, now’s the time to tell me! A few have been fixed already (crate discrepancy on mid, missing spawnroom on BLU, etc), but I’m sure there are more out there!

I don’t get these changes you show on the screens. Don’t they make pushing last harder? This way, you can’t play with a sniper as effectively and four man suicides are harder (both because of the new fence). You have to push über vs. über more and that’s just bound to fail on snakewater last because of the ground you have to cover until you reach the enemy medic. On a positive note, the defending flank can’t keep out the attacking flank as easily because there’s more room to utilise on the house side. Also, I don’t think the changes to the last point make pushing out easier. Backcap hiding spots stay the same, there are still 3 routes to last and most importantly, the attacker’s forward spawn is still too close to second.

how about adding more lightning on snake mid, its too dark

I think the problem wit last is about getting tons of spam. If you push right side (from attacking view) you have to pop because of the sticky trap and that’s good, but everyone that doesnt push with combo is on position disadvantage (spamming under and right is easy because of bottom/tower) and is too far from the medic, whereas the defending team can get easier heals.
Either way, if you push left you will probably be force to pop early.

I think that if you want to make push last easier you should either (someone refute me if you think these are bad ideas):
1) approach the tower on the right closer to the spawn, so the solly has either to hold on the ground close or hold backward, maybe instead of the camion.
2) making the left exit of lobby (attacking prospective) closer to the point
3) make all the lobby closer to the point
4) make dropdown viable for attackers to push in some sort of way like granary top

To sum up what I want to do with the next version:

– Shadows leaking through should be gone
– Final forward spawn moved back to make recapping 2 easier
– Opening up the left hand side attack route to give attackers an advantage and protect pushers from snipers
– Make the map brighter throughout
– ?

Quoted from feeling

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I don’t get these changes you show on the screens. Don’t they make pushing last harder? This way, you can’t play with a sniper as effectively and four man suicides are harder (both because of the new fence). You have to push über vs. über more and that’s just bound to fail on snakewater last because of the ground you have to cover until you reach the enemy medic. On a positive note, the defending flank can’t keep out the attacking flank as easily because there’s more room to utilise on the house side.

The idea is to open up the area and protect pushers from snipers. Right now the fence+rock creates a really narrow area which basically leaves no option but ubering early. Now there’s a small high ground for attackers to move up on, and snipers are really nerfed.

this is awesome :D

yes ace, but it also is easy to defend 4th and turtle down in a way that its very hard to repush from last… thats the bigger issue imo