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i’d say overall the latest version is pretty damn good, my only complaint would be the last points; it’s just so easy to turtle (imo) – stick a heavy on top of the point and just have your medic stand way back near the spawn doors, then when the uber comes in the medic just has to run inside with a soldier & the rest of the defence just needs to spread out over the gigantic last point – and when the uber has finished its just a case of converging onto the point

i’ve seen this happen quite a lot in pretty high level play and if I were to speculate on the reason it would be that the distance to the enemy team for the team attacking last is a little too long; uber gets forced so easily so far away that its pretty much wasted a lot of the time and so it allows the defending team to defend last pretty easily; in fact i would say that a majority of the time pushing uber vs no uber is actually pretty terrible when 6 are alive on the defence… especially with a heavy on the point

My suggestion would be to either add a bit of cover in pit for the attacking medic to get a bit more protection to save the uber for longer, or just shorten the entire last point area somewhat

Anyway thats just my opinion

I’d agree with Hat on the distance to last being huge. However it’s not so bad if you push from right (ie the left door for the defending team).
Also pushing from left makes for beautiful kritz stickies due to the openness of the area around last :D

One thing that annoys me and I keep getting stuck in is the little gap in the wall around the last point – the one you go through when you’re on the point and want to go left (from defending team’s pov).

I haven’t played this season so I’ve only played snakewater a few times, but it’s really starting to grow on me.

Quoted from Spike Himself

One thing that annoys me and I keep getting stuck in is the little gap in the wall around the last point – the one you go through when you’re on the point and want to go left (from defending team’s pov).

Quoted from Hat

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That door is stickied 90% of the time meaning you will have to uber through instantly

I have obviously not paid much attention to SuckerTV, but do you hold left or right on last? Figured that if you hold left and the enemy team ubers through the left door you’re going to be equal-ish.. no?

As said before last is incredibly easy to hold due to the fact you can force the attackers to lose all but 2 seconds of uber before popping yours. Some cover/shortening the distance would probably be the best way to solve it.

This is now my favorite map. I haven’t really seen any issues with last myself. IMO its no more difficult than gran last. And the ubers get popped at the same time as they would on gran. Granted it is harder to bomb a soldier on the medic but that’s where other classes come in keeping soldiers more passive initially and bombing a scout and demo while solly and Med take height position seems to give you the best chance. If you push left or bottom. And pushing right the soldiers can be used like granary.

Quoted from Hat

i’d say overall the latest version is pretty damn good, my only complaint would be the last points; it’s just so easy to turtle (imo) – stick a heavy on top of the point and just have your medic stand way back near the spawn doors, then when the uber comes in the medic just has to run inside with a soldier & the rest of the defence just needs to spread out over the gigantic last point – and when the uber has finished its just a case of converging onto the point

i’ve seen this happen quite a lot in pretty high level play and if I were to speculate on the reason it would be that the distance to the enemy team for the team attacking last is a little too long; uber gets forced so easily so far away that its pretty much wasted a lot of the time and so it allows the defending team to defend last pretty easily; in fact i would say that a majority of the time pushing uber vs no uber is actually pretty terrible when 6 are alive on the defence… especially with a heavy on the point

My suggestion would be to either add a bit of cover in pit for the attacking medic to get a bit more protection to save the uber for longer, or just shorten the entire last point area somewhat

Anyway thats just my opinion

I was reading this post, thinking this topic was about gullywash somehow; that is quite amazing. I got confused at the “pit” part though xD

I’d say lenghthen/broaden the dropdown path to make it a bit of a “backstairs” area for scouts or roamer to be ninja, or indeed add some cover in pit to create a “sneaky” like gullywash.