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“not used” is just a poor strategy. Reducing or disabling falloff-damage is the way to go.

Ban all except medic unlocks.

Ignore Fragga. He wanted 154 dmg at any range with 100% splash.

Really? Find where I said that. I want the BB and TDH banned.

Ban all except medic unlocks.

Sadly I’m inclined to agree :( This game is developing further and further away from what I know and love as competitive TF2.

Part of my enjoyment in TF2 is the in-game tactical analysis; thinking about what the opposition team might do next. Even in vanilla TF2, at every CP on every competitively-played map, there’s numerous different tactical options for teams to make. This makes it enough of a challenge – an enjoyable amount of difficulty. It will literally ruin my enjoyment when some fucking spastic one-eyed black cunt with a 6ft sword and a tiny little shield comes rip-roaring through the house and minicrits me with his elongated phallic symbol. It will ruin my enjoyment when I jump a foot off the ground and the TDH mini crits me from the opposite end of the map. It already ruins my enjoyment when all of the non-FaN scouts I know get emo about playing versus FaN scouts because essentially all of the “good FaN scouts” are fucking shite without it.

The only thing I seem to have said on these forums in the past few months is, “we’ve worked so hard to bring competitive TF2 as far as it’s come, then we have to put up with this shit?”, where “this shit” can be any number of things, including the baseball bat and ball, the sword and shield, the buff banner…

I respect the fact that Valve are still working on the game, I really do. I especially respect the fact that they have, at points, worked in direct co-ordination with the competitive scene. I don’t however respect this latest batch of updates and the only thing they can do from my point of view to rectify it is to release a cvar which allows specific sets of unlocks to be banned. A numerical flagging system, q2 stylee, should be fairly easy: “sv_unlocks_disallowed 128”.

A little excerpt from a conversation a few of my non-competitive TF2 playing friends just had – and one I totally agree with:

14:56 [person1] they need to stop fucking with it, that’s what they need to do
14:56 [person2] heh
14:56 [person1] it’s like rock/paper/scissors x100 + 10 retards
14:56 [person2] yerh, i tend to agree
14:56 [person2] i actually did like tf2 for its simplicity
14:56 [person1] the classes are enough of a mix already
14:57 [person2] here you are, you start with this, no choices, get on with it and kill people
14:57 [person2] that’s why i liked q2 ra2 so much
14:57 [person1] by all means have achievements, etc
14:57 [person1] the “nemesis” thing was a master-stroke
14:57 [person1] but don’t make them affect gameplay :

pro-mod – remove ubers and kritz too

I would also love to see all unlocks get banned (except medic unlocks maybe but then people will come with the argument : if you allow 1 unlock you have to allow them all).

These discussions about which unlocks to allow or to limit are so completely retarded. Even when an unlock is completely overpowered, some people will come up with arguments to not ban them because they are completely shit without them or because they feel the class they play is not up to par with the other classes.

If we keep continuing like this we will all have to make post-its with all the unlock limits and attach them to our monitors for the next season of etf2l. If you think about it, if these unlocks are really side-grades, why do people want to limit them? Imo Valve created these unlocks for publics.

Vanilla tf2 already has way more variety in it’s play style than most first-person shooters and there are good custom maps nowadays to mix it up even more.

Ban all except medic unlocks.

Sadly I’m inclined to agree :( This game is developing further and further away from what I know and love as competitive TF2.

Part of my enjoyment in TF2 is the in-game tactical analysis; thinking about what the opposition team might do next.

But surely with more weapons there are more tactical options, this is especially true when there are only 3/4 good maps and class limits.

But surely with more weapons there are more tactical options, this is especially true when there are only 3/4 good maps and class limits.

Yeah but my point is it’s getting to the stage where there’s so many fucking ridiculous weapons with special abilities that you can’t practice against them. It’s similar to having 12 competitively played maps, teams just aren’t going to develop properly if they have to contemplate *so* many tactical variations.

CS and CoD4 work well because there’s a few variations but not too many. Vanilla TF2 was like that too. Once you put too much stuff in, it just gets past a joke.