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You are right, gullywash wasn’t finished at all, I was long waiting for your comments but then again I wanted to release a final, anxious like a little kid on Christmas morning, the impatience got the best of me and I sorely released the final. Your feeling of WTF was truly justified.

I apologize for releasing it Fox I failed you, gullywash needed your infinite wisdom to fully develop into a map worthy of being named in the same sentence as Yukon or Waste. If only gullywash had been tested numerous times where players would afterwards comment and I would adjust accordingly. Unfortunately this didn’t happen and we are left with an empty shell of what could have been.

I sincerely thank you for your comment, for without it people wouldn’t have realised the failure i truly am.

You sure do make things dramatic. For a totally sincere post about how I feel your map is just not finished, you really did make my comment into something else entirely. I applaud you for that.

Try addressing my point instead of me.

I think there’s a good reason why Valve picked Yukon, and that’s because it plays differently than Granalands. Just like Gullywash, after being tested by the competitive community for a long time it was called “done.” Then leagues are supposed to play it. What I’m saying is, shouldn’t the map that adds variety to the map pool be played before the one that doesn’t? It’s always better to have more maps, period, but why is Yukon being excluded?

Also, I think I’m allowed to have an opinion on your map even though I’m not in etf2l.

– gullywash
+ obscure

is obscure even finished yet? i don’t want to see what we had with gullywash…20 different release clients and then 50 betas and several finals! i found it a bit of a joke tbh. map is good in the end but should have done less releases

a beta then a revised beta and then final release would be nicer. :P

gully for president

yukon is a pub spammers map. that’s why valve picked it. they have ruined everything else about public play in the game by making it 32 man so why not give the pub fags the space to spam in?

Yukon isn’t that bad of a map overall tbh.

there are some interesting possibilities at mid. although i have yet to see a game where both teams don’t just kind of mash in the middle and all die! its like throwing 2 pots of strawberry jam at eachother… funny but overall a colossal mess.

and like ana said but too many alleys and chokes make organisation difficult. there are 4 height levels and erm 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10, etc, etc different routes to flank or spam from. and although i play scout myself i think it gives the scout far too much flexibility for totally raping. also it seems to be hard to contest the bridge once one team get control. and even harder to back cap. because of all the hiding spots for the enemy. just jumping down from bridge. on most points in valve maps you have an advantage when capping as you can see approaching enemies. Yukon doesn’t seem to comply with this on any caps except last

ok changed my mind; its not a good map overall, its total shite tbh.

btw totally agree with freelance fox arnold. its definitely not finished yet. make it more boring and add some frame rate dropping graphixy shit. and get rid of all the shit stuf thats been playtested and approved in the 100 rc’s and start again. cant believe yours got in and not amazing, chokey, Yukon *facepalms*

earlier when i said suggesting we play Yukon was like suggesting we play Egypt. i was not referring to the map layout or style. I was saying Yukon was comparably Shit to Egypt.

I don’t quite like the middle on Gully, its kinda weird.

geeze, gonna play that map 5 times this season.