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You can still shoot when pushed and it doesn’t affect ubercharges. It doesn’t break the game -> it’s allowed.

Knocks you off path, which disrupts aim. Getting stunned = instadeath.

It just makes aiming harder… not a reason to ban it (unless dodging is going to be banned too :) ).

An enemy dodging doesn’t make me vulnerable to spam. FaN hit with scouts teammates nearby = getting spammed to fuck. With a sticky or rocket the effect isn’t instant, because those are projectile weapons.

Ah yeah I know, I was just saying… you can’t use “disrupting aim” as an argument. ;p

You can still shoot when pushed and it doesn’t affect ubercharges. It doesn’t break the game -> it’s allowed.

Knocks you off path, which disrupts aim. Getting stunned = instadeath.

It just makes aiming harder… not a reason to ban it (unless dodging is going to be banned too :) ).

An enemy dodging doesn’t make me vulnerable to spam. FaN hit with scouts teammates nearby = getting spammed to fuck. With a sticky or rocket the effect isn’t instant, because those are projectile weapons.

Ah yeah I know, I was just saying… you can’t use “disrupting aim” as an argument. ;p

Still makes it shit hard to aim pipes when you get blasted in the air and change direction within half a second after that. Can my stickies/pipes/rockets have less AoE damage but more stunning power? plx? Or maybe just a drugging effect plx?

Piece hit the nail on the head for me – often i feel forced to use the gun now just to balance it up, when I really have more fun with the scatter gun.

I think the weapon’s annoyingness is a good reason for a ban since it takes away a lot of fun from the game which in itself is not a good thing, but it doesn’t really have a negative side anymore.

Natascha could be seen as ruining the fun since it slows players down, but since it is a lot worse than Sasha it’s not a problem and you rarely come across it. Consider buffing natascha to have less ammo, but more damage done. Then it would get used a lot more and people would start complaining about the slowdown, even though it was there all along.

Edit: calling for a ban on blutsauger is rediculous anyway since it in no way ruins the game for anyone else – it barely even affects players other than the small amount who die to it (let’s face it, if you are bad enough or low enough hp to die to it, you would probably have died to the normal needle gun anyway). All it does is increase survivability for the medic if he can use it smartly, adding a few more options other than keeping healing and dodging hoping that your patient can kill the opponent quicker than he kills you.

Has someone told this valve yet? Cba to look on these crappy steamforums for it…

tbh. the fucking baseball thing was banned because it stunned people.
But stuns are annoying as hell and take away the fun of playing the game.
U will get forced to use the fan urself because of the stun effect and thats just wrong in my eyes.

agree

By anti-fan purist’s logic snipers should be also banned cause it’s frickin’ annoying every time you get hit… and you can do nothing… EXCEPT ADJUST YOUR PLAY!!! (you know, planning, precautions etc. ever heard of it?)

Seriously what’s wrong with you people, FaN isn’t THAT bad. Banning is an extreme procedure and FaN isn’t nearly worth it.

Snipers need to aim to be able to pull of the most annoying thing the sniper can do: a headshot. Fan = aim in general direction, shard hits, enemy stunned and shot/spammed.

Can you tell me how to plan against this? With a sniper it’s just as simple as not getting in his sights, and erratic behavior when you are. How do I avoid getting stunned mid-air as a solly?

tbh, the amount of airstrafing you can do isn’t very much, and any decent scout will be able to hit you with a snapshot or track you in the air pretty easily anyway..

Also a slightly off scouts aim combined with you aircontrolling to the other direction can cause it to miss.

It still leaves the whole situation up to whether or not they’re good enough to land the shot.