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idk man just unlucky bro

damn man that’s unlucky bro

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVeAEwrL1Ts

Quoted from Motori

I know that nobody does this for their own living so we can’t just have 30 match regular series but i think there are few things that we can improve on. For starters we should have more matches on open because its a larger division i propose increasing it to 7 weeks this in return will have less randomness. Second change i propose is having an pick and ban system for each weeks maps so every team gets to choose what maps they wanna play.

With a pick/ban system you can just try to avoid a map forever instead of just practicing it in scrims. Sure almost every team has at least one map that they aren’t very comfortable on, but to become a good team overall that is deserving of a playoff spot imo you have to get out of your comfort zone and practice those maps until you at least get consistent teamplay on them. Two more weeks means more maps to learn as well.
It also makes comparing results and team standings difficult when everyone is playing different maps and gamemodes each week.

Quoted from AlesKee

I propose you spend your time getting better instead of shitting out nerd essays

that’s not very nice, but what else to expect from ex-admin
Last season with 7 weeks had 100ish teams participating. After adding 5-week system in s12 the highest nubmer of teams was i think 90ish in season 22. I guess if we reach 100 teams again bringing back 7-week season will be a good thing. However since everyone responsible for hl decisions has 2-digit iq this will never happen. Enjoy.

Quoted from Motori

I know that nobody does this for their own living so we can’t just have 30 match regular series but i think there are few things that we can improve on. For starters we should have more matches on open because its a larger division i propose increasing it to 7 weeks this in return will have less randomness. Second change i propose is having an pick and ban system for each weeks maps so every team gets to choose what maps they wanna play.

There is still an equal amount of randomness in a 7 week season, there is just additional time to counter balance it.
The size of the group should correlate with how many teams are required for a swiss system to function optimally. In theory if only wins and losses were possible for a 5 week season you’d need 32 teams. For a 7 week season this would be 128 teams,

Our scenario is a variation of this due to draws, golden caps and similar being possible allowing for deviations of that standard 1/0 scoring system.

While it might feel random, which the week 1 & 2 matches to an extent are(We try to use AP scoring to counter balance this). It does allow for better matchups starting at week 3 allowing teams to fight other teams with similar track records. Meaning that teams shouldn’t consistently roll/get rolled and allow for an overall more positive game experience.

The only possible alternative to this is switching to a round robin system for open as well. However the distribution of teams within such groups would fall fully onto the shoulders of admins who would speculatively have to try and balance out the groups as they don’t have insight in how strong each team is. Which is a very big thing for the open tiers as a lot of new/less experienced players are within these tiers. Which most likely is equally random :D.

Another set of side effects of round robin being that as soon as one team drops from a competition all other teams lose a match from an already shorter season. Also requiring an exact 6*x amount of teams to properly fill up divisions making limits to how many teams can effectively play in case it doesnt match up. As example for S23 this would have caused 3 teams to have to sit out the season.

I hope this gives some additional insight into the usefulness of having a swiss system and its limits. We always try to keep open minded and make adjustments to our systems if possible.

Quoted from Aoshi

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I hope this gives some additional insight into the usefulness of having a swiss system and its limits. We always try to keep open minded and make adjustments to our systems if possible.

The problem of having a round-robin for mid/low/open divisions is that its very hard to balance round-robin groups since its almost impossible and very labour-intensive to define team skill level. With round robin it’s much easier for sandbaggers to sneak into lower div and rape everyone.

Quoted from Motori

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Why are then some maps worth more points than others. For example pl_vigil is worth 6 points and coalplant is worth 3 so the better tactic is to practice vigil over these koth maps

It’s due to amount of time spent while gaming, the only fair option for playing Stopwatch games for both teams is to play ABBA and it takes comparable amount of time to two KOTHs or one KOTH and one CP map like Gullywash.