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I want to discuss what happend at that match: http://etf2l.org/matches/9107/

One of the first comments was :
‘These maps that we have to play are a bit messed up’

Well, both teams picked those maps and now they have to play them. But they didn’t. Both teams ‘agreed’ to change both maps from labor and 2fort to badlands and granary and they found an admin to approve that change.

I do not complain about that match or these teams or the admin. But there are rules how to pick maps, including a limited count for each map and excluded the possibility to change these picks afterwards. The only exception is to change to a second or third party pool map (!), if both teams picked the same map for that match.

Now what happend here. The teams and the admin decided to completely ignore existing rules and do whatever they want.

If that is what the ETF2L wants, then change the mappick rules and let all teams choose whatever they want, even 1 hour before the match.

no this is not how it went. I’ll explain.
TB and Nameless came to me seperately to ask if they could change the maps picked for that match. both teams did not play the maps that were chosen at random due to not picking maps in time at beginning of season.
Both Teams agreed that it would be a strange combination of maps to play due to not having practice on these maps at all.
In my opinion it was better this way because playing the original maps would not have been a true show of skill but more of a contest of luck (due to both teams having 0 practice on those maps).

Now I am sorry if this made any other teams (that did not feature in the match) upset but I cannot change this anymore. I understand you being upset and it won’t happen again.

Jonni

Jonni, the man above me does actually raise an interesting point. If you’re willing to bend these rules because they are maps that aren’t played, then how is it in any way fair that a team can simply power train an unplayed map and then thrust it at their opponents who will have to depend on nothing but luck (as you so said) to win? Surely maps like this are better off removed than allowing cheap victories and all this confusion :/.

Yeah, if you want bad/gran only, set pick limit to 5. Otherwise, dont change existing map picks.

tbh, teams in div3 should be little bit familiar with both maps….
i mean those initially choosen (even by default)

We apologise this decision was incorrect. Of course you are not allowed to change any maps which were picked during the Map Picks (except by the Rule which was already mentioned).