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“It’s basically promoting the thought that machines can analyse players better than humans can.”

It is? What is? The ratings are only public because tf2center are glacial at implementing anything.

Quoted from fraac

“It’s basically promoting the thought that machines can analyse players better than humans can.”

It is? What is? The ratings are only public because tf2center are glacial at implementing anything.

The ethos of the project.

I’ve spoken to Jon via PM and my personal feeling is that it would be interesting to combine his system with advanced lobbies, as it would offer a slightly clearer (but far from perfect) representation of a player’s skills. I don’t want to put words in the developer’s mouths on if and when it advanced lobbies will be ready, or if Jon’s system would be used with advanced lobbies, but I’d be more than open to it.

Quoted from CHERRY

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Please don’t use science fiction movies to back your arguments, especially ones that failed to predict future so hard.. Also I’m pretty sure we have reached the point where computer controls missiles and I haven’t seen it rebel against it’s supervisor yet.

The fact is that Jon’s system may have some flaw, which slightly affects the ranking, but you cannot blame it on a computer, since so far it turned out to be pretty accurate and I honestly am way more likely to trust it than any other random player. If players were better at this we’d still have captain system on pickups, but we don’t.

It is a nonsense to say that computer cannot interpret simple statistics especially if it can create a classical piece in less than a second without any human input. If it can understand natural language, if it can predict price of wine in 50 year’s time so accurately that it caused an outrage in wine community.
US Army trusts it to guide it’s missiles, but you don’t trust it to interpret logs :P

I am not saying this website is perfect, but it is great already and no man would be able to do such an accurate ranking. I just hope this isn’t a TF2C’s opinion, just your personal.

EDIT: This is the composition I mentioned: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uq3iKbCNDCM

You’re strawmanning. I’m talking about the themes of the movie, not how well the movie represents the current day. The theme of over-reliance on technology by allowing it to make our decisions for us is what I’m trying to convey here, not a synopsis of the plot.

Yes, there are certain things that a machine is better than a human at doing, but interpreting how good a human player is at TF2 with only logs to base its determination off of is not better than having an experienced mentor watch another players POV. The prime advantage of Jon’s system is that it can analyse the 70000+ users on TF2Center and compile their statistics together, allowing users to compare and contrast; a human could never aspire to do that. This is all fine and very well done. My issue arises in that players are going to use it to determine how good a player is without any other sufficient evidence. I trust the system to interpret logs with the information it is given, but that’s my point: There are many elements of the game that cannot be interpreted by simple logs. A good example is in-game psychology: An Engineer has a Level 3 setup. The sheer presence of that Sentry Gun causes any reasonable player to play around it and avoid it, which means the Engineer is doing his job of area denial well. Unless the Engineer is getting lots of damage and frags from his gun though, this isn’t represented accurately in the logs.

I just want to make it clear: I have absolutely nothing against the project itself as it is highly utile as a compilation of data on players. My problem is solely with how people will use this data, and the ethos of such data being represented as the primary way to indicate whether a player is good or not.

Quoted from fraac

I think you’re suffering from the same confusion as tf2center admins (are you one of them?). The point of a project is to provide utility, in this case quickly picking lobby teams that result in fewer 5-0s. It’s not meant to be the word of God.

Word.
Who even cares about stats,im pretty sure team leaders wont pick players based on these :D

I’ve seen some pubs implement the same kind of stats and ranking system. Could probably take one of those as a basis. McDonalds too has special sause made by Heintz.

Quoted from CHERRY

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Please don’t use science fiction movies to back your arguments, especially ones that failed to predict future so hard..

Sorry for the offtopic, but have you just said that Stanley Kubrick’s vision of the future is a failure? Oh my god.

http://www.currybet.net/cbet_blog/2009/02/how-accurate-was-kubricks-2001.php

One question, why is my name H3rg??n5 instead of Hergan5? Does it use ETF2L name or in-game name, if in-game, this is like one of my oldest nicks

Quoted from Gentleman Jon

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Names are messed up. I think the ETF2L API was down for a while when I was collecting a load of them, so it’s just defaulted to the first one it found in logs and there was probably something messing up the encoding with the ?, although with logs or my end I’m not sure. I’ll have something to let players edit their own names up as the next priority update as it’s understandably bothering a lot of people.

Okay, cool