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I have posted something similar as Chicken George in the comments of a VanillaTV article, if anyone cares to read it.
http://www.vanillatf2.org/2011/06/bridging-the-gap/#comment-34037
It’s basicly saying -after a boring story of my getting involved with 6v6- that Euro comp TF2 is lacking a Public and -very- active place for newcomers to go to. Not only newcomers for that matter, but a place where everyone (prem to div6) is playing. IIRC tf2.pug.na does it for the NA scene.
The US scene is way smaller than ours though, there is a feeling of personal culpability which simply doesn’t exist here.
To say the cup failed just isn’t true; we did what we aimed to do, and that was introduce new players to TF2, and we did that for about 100 of them, half of what we expected to turn up, a third of what we hoped might due to the sign ups.
I think one thing the newbie mixes suffer from is a bridge inbetween being too proficient for the newbie mixes and falling short of making a team. I do think that too many players value perceived worth (etf2l team page) over actual worth, but I do it myself do whatever.
I just think that if players have to jump through hoops to get involved in this scene then there’s something wrong somewhere
Quoted from Chaplain
I just think that if players have to jump through hoops to get involved in this scene then there’s something wrong somewhere
That’s not the case though; literally anyone can sign up at etf2l and create a recruitment post.
Quoted from Chicken George
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That’s called discussion, dude. merry xmas, though.
He has a point though, we’ve been discussing shit for years and we still have to have CrashSite pointing out our shortcomings.
TF2 is not dead mates, it will be if you will want it to die though. I’d want everyone, who doesn’t like the game, to quit it right now and let us enjoy the best of it without suffering the negativity from certain people. We can help the 6v6 community to grow and develop, and the game to become even more enjoyable than it is right now. We just need to have a real desire to do so, and if people around are saying ‘tf2 is dead’ then what would be the point in putting any effort into improving the quality of those things?
I’m telling you right here, right now – TF2 is not dead. We can keep it alive despite all the naysayers’ murder attempts. Even if you don’t have any idea on how to contribute and make any significant impact, the best you can do, the best everyone can do, is be a good sport to others, no matter the reactions or taunts, be supportive in words to those who put their time and effort in the game, provide constructive feedback on the leagues’ and content’s matter while keeping in mind the common interest, and last, but not least – just play the game. If we want the income of new players to happen, we have to put some effort into catching those players’ attention and showing them that compTF2 might be actually a quite interesting way of spending their free time.
Also, it would be nice if you were nice to each other and not bite each other’s necks whenever someone points out you are wrong or misled.
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I was writing out an essay, decided to delete it.
– Players play in tournaments, they are happy they were organised for them.
– Organisers have players play in their tournaments, they are happy people played in them.
When either the players or organisers stop doing what they are doing, TF2 dies.
Lastly, Professional Competitive TF2 is simply fiction. Our community simply creates this illusion because it’s more fun to pretend there is something significant on the line for a match / tournament / season. It’s the players who need to realise this, as the organisers are doing as good a job as they can possibly do.
Quoted from Chicken George
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That’s called discussion, dude. merry xmas, though.
Yeah. Feel free to. But it’s basically pointless. TF2 has been around for 4 years, I think it is time to realize its not gonna become a big competitive title.
It even went F2P, and it barely helped at all. That’s basically the biggest thing that can happen to any game ever, and it barely had any effect.
Just play and enjoy the game while you can.
Quoted from Chaplain
I think one thing the newbie mixes suffer from is a bridge inbetween being too proficient for the newbie mixes and falling short of making a team.
The people regularly playing in those mixes are not new to competitive tf2. The group has changed from a newbie mix group to a personal mix group for a relatively small percentage of the group members. The influx of new people is simply too small to create a good environment for people to get accustomed to 6v6. If a new player signs up for a mix, [s]he might not play another one, since that first mix might have had too large a skill difference.
The concept is great, it just needs some fresh blood. I try to “lure” people to the mix group if they seem eager, but there’s only so much you can do with just linking to it.
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If I knew how I would, but what would be awesome would be to have a new-to-TF2 website that holds a lot of links to resources and other websites related to TF2, a lobby system for setting up matches and a nice forum for newbies to discuss stuff, arrange games and find teams.
Newtotf2.com
I understand Skyride was working on a website for the newbie mix group, I also understand the amount of work this may very well involve, but if we had a matchmaking system similar to lobby built in, that would be super awesome sauce, or even some kind of prettier irc interface that makes it easy? Dunno.
This way, anyone who finds a poor, lonely pub/casual player who’s interested in 6v6 you can say, “Hey man, why not check out newtotf2.com, it has loads of stuff to help a new player out and somewhere you can get matches with similar skilled guys and gals as yourself, it’s awesome!”
I would love this imaginary website to become a reality and would be all over it with links to VOD’s and anything else I think might help an eager newbie out.
The game is being played a lot still, etf2l had, (was it), 350 sign ups to season 10 and a similar number signed up to the highlander league too, so there is a demand for comp tf2 and the fact the newbie mix group is still going strong, (in fact the recent blog news post has swelled the numbers to an impressive 2000 strong more or less), shows there is still enough of an interest in playing competitively from those that haven’t taken the plunge yet.
We have a healthy game being enjoyed by lots and lots of people and most of those that try out 6v6 love it, the newbie mixes and comments from new players show this is true over and over again, we only need to welcome and nurture any who show an interest and TF2 can live a long time yet.
Don’t really understand the whole discussion, are you saying if ETF2L was the only place where you could play 6v6 in a league, and there were no prizes, you’d stop playing TF2? Seems odd since you’ve got little chance of getting the prizes, unless you’re one of maybe 3 teams, and you’re playing a game you enjoy with people you like (if you don’t you should probably stop now).
I find a certain irony in CrashSite lecturing about people making an effort to help when he wrote 1 article on Cadred then stopped. He spent like a week on the newbie group asking people to make mixes and rarely played in any of them himself (I played in more of them than he did).
Stop being such a hypocrite and pointing the finger at other people and blaming the community for their ‘efforts’. You wrote 1 article on article on Cadred…you played probably less than 10 newbie mixes. You try to run 1 cup without any actual experience running a competition and doing it with such short notice and with such a lack of promotion even I didn’t know what time and day it was until you told me and by then it was too late for me to change my arrangements even if I wanted to change them. I won’t doubt you put time and effort into it like I have for this Highlander season or like I did for LTG.
I didn’t want to mentor in the cup because I enjoyed playing with my teammates – OMG I AM DOING SOMETHING I ENJOY IN MY SPARE TIME OVER SOMETHING THAT WOULDN’T BE AS FUN BECAUSE I ENJOY SPENDING MY SPARE TIME DOING STUFF WHICH IS FUN.
How selfish of me for trying to enjoy my spare time which I have less of because I spend time each day helping run this league.
Sorry this rant is pitiful, TF2 community is full of people, what more do you expect from people? We’re a selfish race who have raped our planet to enjoy benefits like electricity so we can play video games. You think I can take this seriously – some shit league like ESL failed or admins who have a league of over 10,000 players on couldn’t find the time to arrange prize money for a select few teams at the top of the league, same teams and players who don’t arrange their matches on time. Frankly I don’t give a fuck about the 6v6 community, especially the top tier. I only became an admin to help new players into Highlander which is slowly working its way off the ground, if 6v6 withers and dies I wouldn’t give less of a fuck about anything you or anyone else says then as I do now.
As for default date criticisms, most admins are in agreement system was flawed and been noticeably bad this season due to large amounts of double bookings by inexperienced admins. If you knew how ridiculously time consuming the current process is for setting them you wouldn’t be so critical if you ever had to set them, trust me on this.
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Quoted from AcidReniX
I was writing out an essay, decided to delete it.
– Players play in tournaments, they are happy they were organised for them.
– Organisers have players play in their tournaments, they are happy people played in them.When either the players or organisers stop doing what they are doing, TF2 dies.
Lastly, Professional Competitive TF2 is simply fiction. Our community simply creates this illusion because it’s more fun to pretend there is something significant on the line for a match / tournament / season. It’s the players who need to realise this, as the organisers are doing as good a job as they can possibly do.
Someone with sense.
Quoted from AcidReniX
I was writing out an essay, decided to delete it.
:( I always enjoy your essays…
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