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no you really didnt read. i said change our format. not the unlocks.

and i hate unlocks :D

Quoted from Koeitje

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Ok, 6v6 cl1 then. Go play wireplay then? 7v7 cl1? And nobody is stopping you from using cl1 in your own team.

thats not the point! i specifically said in not trying to make ppl play how i want them to this is a suggestion! and i mentioned that all teams are 6v6 so 7v7 cl1 is naturally not viable.

main point of post was. 6v6cl2 works vanilla not unlocks.
if ya want unlocks/decide that unlocks are inevitable part of comp. change the format to accommodate it! as cl2 doesnt fit the puzzle.

that was the point i was trying to bring up.. is it old. is it broken/is cinnamon breaking it, do we need to adapt?

Quoted from Sketch

that was the point i was trying to bring up.. is it old. is it broken/is cinnamon breaking it, do we need to adapt?

Considering the weapons aren’t designed with comp in mind, I’d say the answer to that is pretty damn clear.

! the weapons are not designed to compliment 6v6 CLASS LIMIT TWO omg you have got the point well done BUFFALOOOOW.

hence adapting tf2 to fit with what the majority of tf2 players (not necesarily comp) could relate to as tf2.

Also by having a direct class counter to almost every class. you also have a direct counter to every unlock. cl2 prevented this by limiting your standard rollout class choices because 2 sol 2 scout will beat any unlockables/class rollout within current rules in the vast majority of cases. thus leading to “omg unlock-gay” if you do get unlucky at any point and get raped by unlocks.

technically by removing cl2, in theory you destroy the boundaries that prevent unlocks that were designed to work in a balanced class rollout ie.cl1 from working.

(may i make it perfectly clear that i am a pure vanilla fanboy and that all of this is just logical adaptation)

by removing that overpowered element from 6v6: cl2. You also remove the overpowered/gay element from unlocks!

Quoted from Sketch

! the weapons are not designed to compliment 6v6 CLASS LIMIT TWO omg you have got the point well done BUFFALOOOOW.

hence adapting tf2 to fit with what the majority of tf2 players (not necesarily comp) could relate to as tf2.

Also by having a direct class counter to almost every class. you also have a direct counter to every unlock. cl2 prevented this by limiting your standard rollout class choices because 2 sol 2 scout will beat any unlockables/class rollout within current rules in the vast majority of cases. thus leading to “omg unlock-gay” if you do get unlucky at any point and get raped by unlocks.

technically by removing cl2, in theory you destroy the boundaries that prevent unlocks that were designed to work in a balanced class rollout ie.cl1 from working.

(may i make it perfectly clear that i am a pure vanilla fanboy and that all of this is just logical adaptation)

by removing that overpowered element from 6v6: cl2. You also remove the overpowered/gay element from unlocks!

I
would
quit
tf2
if
cl1
was
enforced
in
leagues.
I like vanilla and always will but I’d still go cl2 over vanilla anyday. not worth fighting for vanilla if the only way to get there is to destroy the game in another way then unlocks.

Quoted from Sketch

unlocks break cl2

vanilla is best

but unlocks will happen

natural counter to unlocks is to change class limit to balance the inevitable introduction.

inevitable? nty