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I understand what you’re saying Toasty, and it’s one of the problems I foresaw with paying for entry. However, if you consider that all teams have to have at least 6 players on their roster, and most have 7, €20 split between 7 = €2.85, which I think virtually everyone can afford :P
Logistically, it can be difficult, with members of teams being spread throughout Europe. However, perhaps the ETF2L admins could integrate Clan Pay (I think it’s linked with PayPal) so members can pay through that.
I know it could possibly cut down on the number of clans that may join, but on the other hand, the clans who remain have all paid to be there, and are less likely to fold, as well as potentially winning money. Depends what you play in ETF2L for – a piss about or to actually win.
Just out of interest where do you predict your clan will finish in your division next season?
Currently we arn’t in ETF2L, but we’ve had some good results against Division 3 clans, so I would hope near the top of Division 3 / Div 2B.
I’m not suggesting this because I believe we’re going to win any money from it; if we do great, but I can’t predict anything. I think though that part of the fun of playing is knowing that you could potentially win something – it makes players turn up, play harder and creates better matches.
You have to realise there are a lot of young players here. People that are 15 years and younger may not even have a bank account they can access from the web, and they may not earn any money other than what they get from their parents.
And btw, Div2B is meant to be just as good as Div2A.
Some teams won’t even play friendly pcw’s with no cash involved if they think they are likely to lose. How can you expect these same teams/players to fork out all-be-it a small amount of cash to play in a high level tournament they are almost guaranteed to finish outside of the top three in?
The concept isn’t a bad one, it just isn’t fitting for this community. Any attempt at balancing out the playing-field to give lower teams more chance would be met with intense scrutiny at every opportunity by teams losing under such a format.
It’s more likely to work if it’s exclusively div3 or div4 teams than the full range, because there is a better spread of teams that have a good chance of making the top three.
I think d3rails idea would fit best, but also as a seperate league, you could have one league for teams the play for fun and do not wish to pay the money, and another one for more serious teams.
One problem with that could be that the fun league would have rather low recognition as being worth anything.
Btw should this go thru, I’d advise you not to start in january, I don’t know whether this is the same for other people, but over here exams for uni/college start in january :)
@ F2
I totally realise there are lots of young players within the League, and it’s great that ETF2L provides a fun way to get your first experiences of playing a competitive FPS game. Currently with it being free, it gives good accessibility to such gamers. I’ve got a fairly raw idea in my head that I’m just gunna write down now that might help this.
@ KOVACS
The idea of doing a Tournament based within Division 3 + 4 teams is a good one, considering there are lots of teams in there who could compete very nicely. Like it!
My idea:
xtala actually drifted onto it in his post, but basically, I was thinking about the possibility of having the top 3 divisions paying for entry. Generally, these teams are more serious, playing more PCWs a week and thinking about strats etc, and potentially more likely to pay because they want something in return for their efforts. A poll could be done to see how much people are willing to pay, but nonetheless, the cash prize would be a good first step before sponsors are able to donate more money and hardware prizes.
As a reward for winning divisions, teams could be promoted and not have to pay the entry fee. Although I’m not sure how this would then work, it could encourage Division 4 teams to try really hard to get promoted, and enjoy potentially winning money without having to pay for it.
As I said, this is a really raw idea and I can see some problems – if you reward a team with promotion and not having to pay, how will the total division pot be added up? Also, do relegating teams then have to pay to be in a lower division. It might also create some rivalry between those in the ‘paying league’ and those in the free divisions.
If anyone has any more ideas, please post them :)
http://etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-1193/?recent=10060 first concern :P
and after no thinking whatsoever, i think it would be better to pay 10euro/person, not clan.
it feels like paying for playing is something that 16 year oldies and down dont wanna do, u all know how much parents love computer games.
having one league where it cost cash and one that is free sounds like a bad idea..
im gonna hunt a clan with a sponsor that can pay this for me :P
do an american draft system! ;D
each “team” (defined as not a current setup team – 4k – tcm – ubersexuals etc) is assigned a captain (from div1/2 teams?). Each PLAYER that wants to enter pays the nominal fee to join the league, You then have a pool of players and team captains, each captain picks a player systematically, till you have a team, then you do the american style system like Mole mentioned. Could be interesting to see the blends of players form different clans and leagues working together. Would also means that teams would be more or less the same level of skill.
Imagine:
Team-CobraMasterSexualKing
Player from div1 x 2 team
Player from div2 team
Player from div3 team
Player from div4 team
Player from div 5 team
This would obviously cause issues with teams that want to play with eachother, but then you can always remember that is why we have seasonal leagues. You could use this type of play to showcase/exhibitional tf2 and hopefully attract more potential “spotlight” on the tf2 scene
By taking these steps, you eliminate the issues raised by TEAMS having to pay.
You also get people who are actually wanting to play
Incentive to do well in league would get your draft seeding higher,
etc etc
Sounds shit.
joke!
I think it sounds cool in that lesser known players get a chance to play with top level figures in the TF2 scene, and they could learn loads from their instructions.
However, I wouldn’t be sure how many of the top players would want to do this (please prove me wrong) as it would involve quite a lot of coaching to get the lower end players to a good standard, and it could result in a hell of a lot of raging, and games where stupid mistakes cause wins/losses, rather than well thought out strats and simply out-skilling the enemy team.
The draft system wouldn’t work and it would make for some rubbish games, as the draft team would be able to play like once a week. If you are talking about folding clans in order for people to leave their clans and start a new team with these draft players, then you will have a hard time convincing people like TCM, 4Kings, Crack Clan who all get lots of stuff from sponsors to leave their clan and go play with some shitters.
@ Evil
If it is done “out of season” for example…now, where we are between season 3 and season 4, then you would hope that players would be able to parcitipate a little more than if it was during a season. Yes i realise that other leagues/tournamenets are going on also, but theres plenty of time to work things out.
As for leaving your team and starting a new one, that wasnt what i was getting at. Consider it like the Nations Cup, players from generally different teams (i know thats not always the case) playing eachother against a simular setup. I understand that yes, the nations cup is generally of a high standard, with the best demo/soldier/scout etc from thier country and that having this draft system with players from lower leagues, you’re suspecting to have a few mistakes and issues. But with the financial insentive, you can iron these issues out with each players money at stake.
There is really no “off season” though, right now even though etf2l has finished, there is the ETF2L Cup, the new ESL 6on6 and the EMS. It is also near Xmas and New Year. Like I said the standard of the games being played with this draft system would be very low.
In a real draft system obviously the players leave their teams and solely concentrate with their new team, however if we continue to play with our main team their is going to be very little time for the draft team to play and if you want to make the draft teams play to showcase TF2 then the standard of play will be very low. Much lower than two top teams playing each other.
The only reason the National teams are good is because you have players that have played together for a long time, as most of the them are in the same clan, or play against each other regularly. Imo all that is likely to happen is that one draft team will have much better skilled players than the others, even though they are picked from the same division the standard of skill in different is players is massive, so it is likely that one team will get really good players and run away with the tournament.
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