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cp_alloy is completely terrible, please delete this map from existence

alloy no lakeside no vigil > badwater
det ban good

I would like to see vigil in the rotation
lakeside and alloy are pretty bad though.

vigil = okay
lakeside = okay
alloy = i want to piss in my own face

Alloy was definitely a twist, but a good one at that. Tbh at first glance it looked “off”, or difficult to properly play, but it promotes the use of good teamwork and planning. Enjoyed it overall

Ok, this whole experiment was really good in my opinion, considering the map pool was quite stale in etf2l for quite some time. I’ll go a bit in detail over each map and compare them with the maps that they are supposed to replace (long text warning):

– cp_alloy_rc3: I like the map, I really do. It’s a fast paced cp stopwatch, a bit simpler version of steel and it still requires good coordination with the team. I would like to see this map in the map pool for the next seasons. The only problem with it is that steel is a very good map already. I find it difficult to see 2 cp stopwatch maps on the same season, but I would really like this map being played sometime. Maybe if gully wasn’t played in that particular season we could have them both ? (planting seeds…). TL:DR -> I fucking love this map (but I love cp_steel too).

– koth_lakeside_final: I don’t hate the map, but it’s not really pleasant either. Compared with warmtic_b6, I would still pick warmtic over it, as it allows more classes to shine. Sniper is very strong in both, but the whole layout with the crates and windows and the under tunnel in warmtic, allow a more diversified experience imo, allowing other classes to make interesting plays too (like solly or engi).

– Pl_vigil_rc4: We did not play this map during the cup because the enemy team didn’t show up, but I played enough of it in ugc and prolander, so I have a pretty solid idea. I think badwater is an iconic map for the tf2 community and replacing it would lead to a general discontent (mostly not justified). The problem that I have with badwater is that it was played for so god damn long, that it became stale and boring (at least for me). In lower divs, 3rd push can also be horrendous. Yes, I know, get gud, blah, blah, but games should be enjoyable regardless of what league or div you are playing in. I don’t particularly like Vigil, even if it’s quite an interesting map, but it would be a change of pace from badwater, so I would like to see this replacement over some of the next seasons.

Regarding weapons:
– spycicle should not be banned, a good pyro will kill you 9/10 times with or without it. And the fact that you can lose a stab because of a stupid flame particle is enough of a disadvantage.
– detonator: no reason to ban it imo, not op at all.

Edit: – this is only my opinion, if you don’t agree with it, it’s fine
– I would still like to see some actual feedback from people, not just: “this map awful”, “this map is ok”. Just point out some of the reasons you like or dislike the maps. It most likely helps the admins

Was a fun experience, have a good night you all

Vigil feels like it has potencial to be a fresh payload map however the map feels like it has way too much content, about 1/3 of the map is never even used aside for some rare occasions that don’t really impact the game at all and the vast ammount of entrances and doorways emphasizes it, alot of the doorways lead to rooms with uncomfortable angles that wasn’t pleasing level design wise and made it harder to memorize the map’s layout. I think if these unused areas were removed or locked off the map it could be easier to adapt to.

Alloy doesn’t feel like a good choice, the respawn times are instant and at one point we even thought the config was wrong, I think this was made like this because the map is just way too long for no reason, the ammount of time it takes to leave BLU spawn and get to either A or B is just too much. The whole experience felt incredibly awkward.