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I would like to see more variation to the map pool than sunshine or reckoner. It makes things very stale

i mean, we could have them both and not granary?

oh well

can pomson still hit multiple people, cause if so surely that can just just kill a last push

Like all laser weapons I absolutely despise the shitty hitboxes, visuals and firing sound. I really wouldn’t like a glitchy, unfaithful and deceiving arsenal be given the same kind of respect that hitscan and explosive projectiles do. They’re badly designed in terms of combat use.

That said they’re not OP at all and will likely not see any usage asides from memes.

Honestly, I think we value the traditional maps way too much. Teams are experts in badlands but still completely clueless in product for example, a map that’s been around for ages. This becomes self-evident when we compare EU Prem with NA Invite.

The competitive can only evolve if we force ourselves out of our comfort zones and learn how to master new maps, which pure and simply hasn’t been the case.

Thanks for the feedback, phi.

The reason on why Reckoner was chosen in the first place for Season 24 over Sunshine was due to the poll results of what we gathered from the last preseason cup (etf2l.org/2016/05/01/have-your-voice-opening-polls-for-s24-feedback/), where the majority wanted the map pool to be changed. It’s not really easy for us to decide on what are the 7 perfect maps to play in the league as we get complaints of Sunshine from the prem/high teams, but also get complaints of Granary from the mid/open teams, it is hard for us to please everyone and we do acknowledge of that. Fair note is that both of those maps are only examples, there are similar situations that have happened before Sunshine was even played.

You could also treat this season of Reckoner in a similar way to how Sunshine was handled in the first place with us a year before it was in our main season, back in 2014 we hosted a one night cup for it when the map was in beta version and we did that again in 2015 as a proper cup when the map got in release candidate setting where it was in a perfect state to be up in our main season. While of course Reckoner did not have its own cup in a similar way here, I would still be welcoming of bringing it back later again if we were to take it out. We had done this with Logjam as well after S20 when we replaced it with Granary pro in another cup again, but players found it to not be in a good setting anymore compared to the other maps there are to offer.

Honestly enough I do agree with what you said on the fact that feedback is barely given when maps are on the verge of getting removed from the map pool, I only had heard of people making minor complaints about Sunshine when it was in map pool, and only after it was officially removed people made videos and explanations on why the map was faulty and addressed issues that you have now fixed in the map.

To your big point on what you mentioned of people wanting to play older maps, we did try to take Granary out in the beginning of S23 but that did not work out. We had done that in S20 too with the regular Granary when we actually did take it out for a season with barely any huge riot over it but this year with the pro version the negative feedback that we gained from removing one of the older maps won over and we didn’t want to disappoint more people than we should have. I still feel disappointed in myself for thinking that that was okay to do out of blue, but my thoughts then were similar to what you just addressed yourself.

If you would want to discuss about this situation more regarding the maps in a less public place than these forums then feel free to add me in Steam.

I’d personally like to play Sunshine next season. The latest update fixed a lot of different issues and made it much more pleasing to play on this map. Reckoner also had some improvements.

Unfortunately, can’t really say anything good about Forge. The only thing I liked about it is that it’s not dominated by Snipers like Viaduct. I still really dislike the map, the way it’s built and the way it looks. Also some areas gave me ridiculous fps drops, which wasn’t pleasing at all.

I personally didn’t have any issues with weapon pickups so far, same for new unlocks and Cow Mangler (no one used those). I would try Cow Mangler if I played Soldier though, but none of my teammates and enemies did.

In future can you please change the timing / duration of rounds when playing a cup.
This was my first cup, and it went on for such a long time without breaks between rounds, that by the time i was playing the second, me, and my entire team felt too fatigued to play at our best, it is extremely exhausting to play such a long amount of time with out breaks, so in future would the ETF2L admins please consider separating the rounds throughout the day with 30 – 1 hour gaps between, so that extended games, games that started later won’t interfere with the next, and that teams and players, can recollect their brains and thoughts before playing the next game so that they don’t feel completely brain-dead.
Thankyou – Ninlop