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I would echo that if you’re making an AC client (and who made that btw?), it’d be nice to make a plugin to facilitate the ruleset changes, swapping sides, stats etc. Lot of work though I guess and it’s not gonna stop anyone playing if you don’t do it.

I think the main problem is that you’re never going to be the main league as you’re only running cups, so people are going to prioritise practicing for and playing in ETF2L and LAN over you. Also the fact that people just can’t commit a full day with random breaks to TF2.

Quoted from IPZIE

why would anyone above top3 by premium if only 1st to 2nd place will make you cover the costs if you play all 4 tournaments a month

Because ESA is in it for the money.

They are a business that provide a service that TF2 needs, and for it to continue we must continue to support it.

Also, you will play more games there, I’m fairly sure of it! If you look at their terms and conditions, you’ll find that it says that if your account goes inactive, they can take money from you at a certain rate (if I’m not mistaken it was 1 pound per week or per month, or something).

Also the minimum amount you need to have in your wallet in order to be able to transfer it to your bank account is somewhere around 30 pounds.

So basically if you don’t win enough money to be able to transfer it elsewhere, you need to keep playing, unless you want to see it donated to Didge’s private bank account. I see an easy work-around but let’s not wake up the sleeping dogs.

Another something that goes to confirm this is their complete lack of customer service when it comes to the premium subscriptions. I foolishly bought premium in order to create an “organisation” on their website. I later asked Didge on irc if I would still be able to access my org when my premium runs out and he jokingly said “did you really buy premium just to create an org?”. Admittedly fairly stupid of me, but the fact remains that he/ESA is not willing to refund that giant sum of 5 pounds (or, for that mattter, talk about it). Instead the reply was “well it seems people are willing to spend money on that – we might as well keep it that way”. I’ll admit it was my mistake and I probably should’ve asked first, but if you’re a new business and want to build up a good name, I would think some form of customer service would be valuable..

That’s not meant to slag off ESA btw. They provide a service that adds some form of professionalism to TF2, which is obviously a good thing. Just be aware of their T&C’s, and know what you get yourself into when you spend money there.

Just you wait til they start taking commission from it…

Quoted from Spike Himself

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Because ESA is in it for the money.

They are a business that provide a service that TF2 needs, and for it to continue we must continue to support it.

Explain please, and list the benefits of these cups compared to others that we had which we didnt have to financially carry until they are self sustainable.
Good idea to have an ETF2L vs UGC showmatch at the same time to show some support(づ￣ ³￣)づ

Hmm,

When looking at what group of TF2 players the ESA tries to target, then I think they are doing themselves short. By organising events that last a whole sunday, from sunday morning to the evening, they are targeting players that have the time to play a whole sunday and more specifically whole teams of players that can play a whole sunday and can start on sunday morning even. And I dont think there are alot of teams that are willing to do that. So you are looking at people that are extremely dedicated (pro-teams mostly for the money and fame) or teams that casually play in weekends together.

Where as most ETF2L teams are used to playing on weekdays after 20:00 CEST. And will play more or less 5 pcw’s (about 2 hours of TF2) per evening. I recall a thread about the amount of pcw’s per evening per team a while ago.

So there is a discrepancy in the timewindow for teams that are willing to play officials and the ESA timewindow, I feel. But correct me when I’m wrong.

I feel, there are alot more teams that would like to play official games in off-season periods and would like to play in the ESA, but feel uncomfortable with playing sunday morning until late.

Quoted from Didge-

I was surprised you bought a premium solely to create an organisation. I still am tbh. If you’re still grieving over parting ways with £5 – I will give you the money back.

Come on Didge, surely you understand it’s not about the money? The point is that, as I pointed out on IRC at least twice already, you admit to a mistake on your end, yet refuse to rectify it with your customers. Instead you seem to prefer to make fun of and abuse their stupidity. That’s just not acceptable. Keep the 5 pounds as a donation if you must, I honestly don’t care about the money.

Less often but bigger prize pool, stretched over 2-3 evenings. That would be my preference.

Spike, you have just been refunded £5