Mapping Contest: Final standings – Season 6: Status + polls
September 9, 2009
Mapping Contest: Final standings
Some people already might have guessed this due to our last newspost: a final cup for the top 3 of the Mapping Contest will be skipped. There isn’t enough time left for a decent cup before Season 6 starts, and we want to give the best maps the opportunity to be a part of that.
The results of the public polls will count as final standing. About 600 users rated the top 5; in the end it was a pretty close result between the first and second place, but cp_gullywash made it with a total rating of 6.53! The map made by Vale’Arnold is the official winner of our contest and will be included to Season 6 map pool, as well as being part of the 5th Cup final.
But also the second (cp_yukon) and third (cp_waste) place will get their chance to be part of the biggest TF2 tournament ever played. Again it’s up to the community: Should these two maps be added to the official map pool and be included to our upcoming events? Vote below!
Final standings
cp_gullywash by Arnold [latest version]
cp_yukon by MangyCarface [included into TF2]
cp_waste by Icarus [latest version]- 4th – cp_outlaw by jasska
- 5th – cp_afterdusk by ForgottenCake
- 6-12th – cp_generator, cp_trainstation, cp_fool_hill, cp_energy, cp_follower, cp_greenvalley, cp_resonance
Mapping Contest: Should cp_yukon be included into official league map pool?
Total Voters: 1,196
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Total Voters: 1,138
Loading ...Season 6: Status + polls
The first days of the sign up period went amazing. With over 250 teams registering in the first 90 minutes, our internal record was broken again. In the meanwhile almost 400 teams signed up! We would like to thank the whole community for their trust and positive feedback to this project :)
Slot limit
As we had a slot limit of 250 teams in Season 5, of course many teams worry about their spot in Season 6. Happily we can already announce the slot limit of Season 6 will be raised up again! A final slot limit will be decided on Thursday. If your team wants to take part in Season 6 and haven’t signed up yet, please be sure to do so by Thursday!
Weapon Unlocks
Another big discussion point is the weapon unlocks. After gathering community’s opinion we decided to allow all new Spy and Sniper weapons. The Force-A-Nature will get another final poll to decide whether it should be banned completely or if it’s allowed with a limit of 1.
Season 6: Force-A-Nature
Total Voters: 1,246
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Due to some requests we also created a poll about the jump rule on cp_well – should we keep this rule like in recent seasons or remove it like its standard in the US? Give your opinion below.
Note: This won’t effect rule 1.5.6.
1.5.5 cp_well: It’s not allowed to jump over the train until countdown reaches 5 seconds
It’s forbidden to jump over the trains to opponent’s side during the “Installation Time” until Countdown reaches 5 seconds. Jumping on the trains and spamming over is allowed whole time.
Season 6: Rule §1.5.5
Total Voters: 1,127
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Add cp_pro_well!!!
+1 for suicide missions on well :D
<3
best: remove well
2nd best: pro_well
3rd: remove the rule
kthxbai
I see, the league will be really exciting with spy and sniper unlocks. :)
Unfortunately I don’t know the rules in the US leagues, but the rule can be better, if it says: no jump over until setup time, and no spamming. The setup is for get ready for the battle and not means kill every enemies during setup time faster to easily got the third control point.
Good luck and have fun for all teams!
cp_waste_final is NOT latest version, latest is cp_waste
cp_well will be in S6, lets worry about more important stuff :D
remove rule omg lol D;
+1 for suicide missions on well :D
agree to that :D
ps. http://www.gamesprays.com/team-fortress-2/funny-sprays/heavy-sprays/death-from-above/
i would send kamikaze scouts ^^
@wer: thx, its corrected now
gj admins!
Sniper and spy unlocks allowed?
[…]Weapon Unlocks
Another big discussion point is the weapon unlocks. After gathering community’s opinion we decided to allow all new Spy and Sniper weapons.[…]
so yes
Good stuff!
To be honest, allow to everything. Changes should be made to the game, or as people say, it’ll just get boring.
God damnit, cp_waste is a slick map, how many of you noes have actually played it?
And banning the FAN? Who are you people?!
Public votes like this are flawed for just those reason Admirable. The rules for the league are being decided by people who can conceivably know nothing about what they are voting for. Or have not thought about something beyond a knee jerk, “that was bad against me once so it must be terrible and removed”. :[
I don’t think yukon should be included without removing another map (ie. well).
REMOVE WELL
And gtfo yukon haters :D
Well is fine.
BUT please, PLEASE get rid of Fastlane… god i hate that f**kin map…
yeah, fastlane…. sucks!
make a “remove well” poll, would be very interesting
well>you
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Public polls like the ones above are decent for taking the pulse of an issue, but if they are the sole basis for new rules, they amount to a very poor and deeply flawed form of decision making.
Just tag the vote like the crowd is judging:
“Is the FaN annoying for you?” Yes / No
Ridiculous vote
ridiculous vote
irony on
yay im 13 years old and i dont like the FaN..so ban it..because..i dont know..i dont like it..
but im mature..
irony off
waste is better balanced (and no fucking setuptime) than well imho
Too much baaaaaaaw around here. You like the game better with the FaN ? Guess what, some people don’t. I don’t care about Jarate but 115hp shots + instant two shots + knockback + extra speed is too much of a pain in the ass.
“baaawwww those who don’t agree with me are complete retards” <- Sometimes you should wonder what you look like when you post :/
FaN has given some diversity in scouts life. In my opinion it doesn’t affect the gamebalance so much that it should be even limited. It doesn’t make scout op. Only thing it might give to scout is to take some surprising routes in to the heat of battle and to get away from there alive with third jump. But when it comes to fighting you need to play differently with it.
For example you can’t jump with the third jump to the battle because you have only one ammo left and need to reload immediately. Shooting rocket jumping soldiers down is nearly only one thing which makes fan in some situations far more better than scatter. Like in gravelpit C and badlands second point.
Ant these map votes. Why can’t team leaders just vote for eight or ten maps to map pool? They could for example be forced to choose two best new maps (not played last season) and six best old maps (played last season). I think that it would be better than “I hate this I don’t want to play this” votes.
awww finally gonna get rid of this fan
Reactionists :p
“Shooting rocket jumping soldiers down is nearly only one thing which makes fan in some situations far more better than scatter. Like in gravelpit C and badlands second point.”
FaN is so much better in many situations mainly because of the damage it can deal out in a much shorter period than u would need with the scatter
and shooting down soldiers , u can do this also with the scatter ?
ban the fucking fan
Can’t we get rid of that stupid huntsman as well? I’d like to deny Racio the pleasure of spamming arrows in narrow spaces :(
That, and stunning me with his taunt while I’m ubering. Oh, THE HUMILIATION!
word skinnie.
ban that shit.
Again another unfair poll, 1 class vs the others never can WIN…..seriously
FAN RULES, whine mode offf plz
I like this idea. General map voting is retarded and still we need new maps to keep the game somewhat fresh.
The poll itself wont deffinately dictate if the FaN is banned or not, if its a very close vote then we shall see, lets just wait for the results of it
1.5.5. really seems like an unnecessary rule that’s based on some subjective sense of what’s the correct way to play this game.
I’d like to see how the map changes without the rule. I can’t see any downsides, except some scrubs going “BAWW I DIED AND THE MAP DIDN’T EVEN START YET ;_;”
I’m really surprised we havent seen more opposition to the Dead Ringer. Its totally broken in its current state. Unkillable if there’s ammo nearby=balanced? I dont think so. All other “new” weapons are fine.
Another poll about the FAN? Show some initiative admins and make the correct call on this plz. I havent heard 1 valid argument to restrict it yet.
You didnt rly listen then.
There were plenty.
Remove the rule and allow the fan. Yes, the fan is annoying, but it makes the game more diversified.
it doesnt.
I like how people continue to use words like “annoying” all the time. I agree the FAN is “annoying” as well, in fact — I HATE the FAN. Getting two-shotted is not FUN AT ALL, but ANNOYING.
HOWEVER (and this is important):
It is not GAME-BREAKING. It’s annoying because these things did not happen before, can’t counter it with just a quick 180 and kill the attacking scout (unless you are REALLY fast). Instead, you need to rely _even more_ on TEAMPLAY to keep an eye out for opponents and just make SURE you do not get yourself in these situations (that really didn’t matter as much before as they do with the ‘lethal’ two-shotting FAN-scout).
Now, is it the gun, or it it the people who has not enough teamplay, imagination and who are kind of boring and wants to limit the game by making it static that’s most annoying?
Well… Who knows. Up to each one to decide, but it’s very odd that such a low percentage wanted it banned before, and now this. I’m puzzled.
2 factors contribute to the difference between the polls:
– First poll was unclear.
– People played against the fan more and started noticing how broken it is.
The poll is flawed, and should be conducted in a secure manor, 1 vote per clan, and not a free for all as it is now.
In it’s current state a majority of more than 67% of players should be needed before the admins consider a ban on the fan (removes the class bias voting)
Polls ftl, make a freaking admin decision and stick to it.
As long as the poll isn’t the final decision, and simply a factor reflecting the public opinion, then that’s fine. Stop getting agitated simply because the decision’s not here yet. It’s not as if the league’s starting tomorrow, just be patient.
Plus, I find it funny how people are talking about “removing the class bias voting”; as far as I’ve seen, half of the Scouts love it and half of the Scouts hate it. So how is there a class bias there?
I personally hate the thing, but a member of my team uses it very well; as Gryzor said, it’s about getting out of the situations that cause the 2-shot situation to happen, not simply roflbanning it because it’s not to your liking.
Definitely remove the rule, make well a bit interesting.
I’d also love to see that rule removed, it just seems arbitrary to me, I mean why 5 seconds? Allowing people to go over the top would be great as it’s a neat risk versus reward decision (given that they’re potentially going to end up outnumbered on the other side) and adds an extra element of strategy to the game :)
loooooove well!
5 sec rule!
i love how all the fan lovers referred to the other fan vote and said: “LOOK AT THE VOTERESULT AND STOPP QQ`ING ABOUT THE FAN, L2P AND STFU”
now the exact same ppl point out how flawed a/this vote it.
makes me giggle :D
p.s. ban this piece of shit gun
A vote for remove is a Vote for Change!
+1 Tickus. FFA vote is a bad basis for such decisions
Open to change, aren’t you guys?
:/
yes aves, exactly my thought :)
but stop abusing my name like that!
Little disappointed at the results of these polls ;-(
imo game changing votes like the fan shouldn’t be an open vote.
Some people are so easily lured into fanboytrains
Public polls are used in almost every European country nowadays… it’s called democracy.
<3 the irish democracy who tryed to kill the EU
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7443498.stm
53% rejected the treaty
53% wanna ban the FaN
:P
I cant see why it changed to much:
Weapon poll: Force-A-Nature
* Limit 1 (44%, 345 Votes)
* Limit 0 (38%, 300 Votes)
* Limit 2 (18%, 136 Votes)
Total Voters: 781
was the poll before
I guess its a best of three votes, or?
Dont ban the fan. I always hated it, but now i become used to it and know how to counter it or adept the strategies to play with it, it will be banned :(
Opinion polls are held every day, however that is not a democracy as such
If you wanted to run as a direct democracy EVERY decision would be made by a vote, normally one man one vote, however since TF2 is not an individual game, one clan one vote is the best way forward.
Most democracys are a representative democracy, where leaders are elected who make all the decisions, even if they are not popular and against the result of opinion polls/public opinion
opinion polls vary alot depending on who is voting, where the poll is taking place, and how long the poll is open for
rant over
To me it seems like it’s only people who main other classes than scout who whines about FaN being overpowered.
e.g. piece and skinnie are scout afaik and wants Ban the FaN
or me ;)
we just played cp_yukon.. its a really good map.. nice to play.. vote for yes!
thank you for 330 teams… :)
mvp carry bot!
If the admins take these votes as the final decision for the FAN and maps like Waste, they are being fucktarded. Waste is so much better than yukon , and banning the FAN because it is annoying is pathetic. Limit 1 is good enough.
Yukon is an awesome map, you guys are stupid. Specifically Swifty.
I’m gonna sound pretty biased but here goes: I hope the admins pick yukon since it’s almost a tie. A new map that’s already accepted in the U.S leagues (for all I know) and by lots of players is incentive to at least give clans the possibility to choose it at least once in the upcoming season. And tbh I can’t imagine people complaining in the future about yukon being in the map pool but not reflect over well or turbine.
Fan… Ban it. Tf2 is already so much about the scouts that another upgrade is just redundant. Oh and it brings new gameplay and strategical depth? Well me wallhacking does too. As does Sandman. So does playing replacing badlands with hydro in the map pool. Doesn’t mean it’s a good thing. The scout is already much of a butcher as he is and doesn’t need a stun gun of death that can two shot everything. Remember the complaints against adding limit on demoman? I remember with fondness how some went “omg you skill hating noobz!! You gotta be smart ok? First you get one sneaky skilled engineer to build a good teleport then you get a spy to backstab the demoman so you’ll remove the sticky traps! Think outside the box!” I see the same reasoning with the FaN.
wtf wheres your problem with cp_yukon?
Yeah, let’s play badlands and granary only for the next 10 Seasons! I hate ppl complaining about things they didn’t even try out yet. And most of you whiners – I bet you didn’t play yukon in a war yet – you played it on 1337-ETF2L Public server, got raped – right, it’s the map!
On a site and in a league where competitive teams and players face eachother I’m quite sure that they have played yukon, Ripple. Please think about how you sound like before you post.
BAN THE FAN!
ye maybe it sounds a bit rough. But honestly it pisses me off, that as soon something new is added to the game, everyone wants it banned from leagues. Weapons – ok, some are annoying but they aren’t “gamebreaking” or whatever they’re called. 11 4 3
We have a mappool of 8 Maps including 2 custom maps. We have 11 official CP Maps – 4 official CTF Maps – and 3 official PL Maps. Yes – dustbowl etc. is called “publicnoobmap” or whatever, i wouldn’t choose it because i don’t like it. But maybe there are clans who like to play that map and want to choose it because of the fact that the enemyteam is about 10 times better. Choosing Maps is part of a good tactic, too. So why banning all those maps? I really don’t get it. The Maps the people don’t like aren’t chosen anyway, but maybe sometimes there are teams who like them and want to choose them to beat a better team – such as ctf_well or ctf_sawmill – why not? At least bringing them all into the 2nd mappool would be a compromise for everyone.
History of FAN:
Before: Useless!!!
After: BAN!!!
Hmmm
ban the demo!
lawl @ comparing the fan with two demos.
Just learn to play against it ffs
On a site and in a league where competitive teams and players face eachother I’m quite sure that they have played yukon, Ripple. Please think about how you sound like before you post.
I wouldn’t be so sure. We recently asked for cp_yukon against a team in a PCW and were moaned at for our choice — and this was after the map was made official. They were complaining that none of them had played it (…why not use this opportunity as a chance to learn it?) and, after the very first mid-fight, one of them even changed their name to “@shitmap.” It’s as if they believed they could form a logical, valid and constructive opinion on a map within the first 30 seconds of competitive play.
Their map choice? Yup, you guessed it — cp_badlands.
I’m not saying that everyone is like that but they do make up a percentage of the people that are contributing to this vote. After all, it’s not like you have to be actively taking part in the league — all you require is a login to the site to participate.
Bah, the quote didn’t work.
That’s what’s meant to be quoted above.
I see. Well yeah there certainly are those there but I take it that his post was directed to those who post and “whine” about it in this thread. And some legitimately think yukon is bad after trying it out. I didn’t like his way of showing his reasoning.
I think you’re correct on the voting problem, Satako. Classical problem. A non-active player who simply is registered at this page has a vote that counts as much as a commited player with well reasoned opinion of the map. I guess that’s why we also see an increase of low quality posts bashing “elitists” and the competitive scene in general.
Also, it’s rather pitiful now that you mention it. You can even face a clan that refuses to play gravelpit for some reason. And mixes (especially dubious ones)… Tough when you can’t just W + M1 your scouts fourth like an ancient general uses war elephants against enemy ranks?
I’ve “played” a clan (Ecliptic I think), who decided that they were going to leave the server before the match started, because we wouldn’t play their map choice first.
@Geten
As i said, i’m sorry for some kind of raging here – but as i said in my last post – why is TF2 limited to 2 Maps (bad, gran). In fact there are 8 of about 20 (!) Maps in the Season Mappool but which 2 maps will be played most? We all know it. 80% of all PCW’s we’ve played took place on those maps. And when enemies ask me: “2nd map? Your map?” etc and i say something like: “Let’s try out Yukon/Sawmill” or anything else – the enemies start to complain about it as Satako mentioned in his post OR leave the server with arguments like “2 of us get to go”. 2 mins later i see them looking out for a new pcw in IRC. Only leagues like ETF2L could stop this process of tf2 being minimized to 2 maps. Why do they ban maps? 1st and 2nd Mappool ok – but as I said – choosing the right map against an enemy is part of a tactic, too! Valve worked together with 1337-Players to fix things and make them better for competitive play (FaN, less damage, less annoying) – they added a 5-CP-Map (Yukon) and a CTF-Map (Sawmill, which is btw totally ignored!) for us and we just flame it. You think they’ll continue adding 5-Point-Maps for US? You think they’ll add more ctf maps for US? They didn’t for the public gamers, they like PL and Attack/Defend! A lot of ppl where whining about the lack of missing CTF Maps – now we get 1 and ignore it and it’s a good map in my opinion – completely accessible roofs etc.. Great! But soon there will be 1000s of PL Maps again, because they’re played – fuck off competitive players, they’re only complaining anyway and honestly, they make more money with those “publics” than with us.
I don’t understand people whining – “we never played that map” – they need to remember that they also had a “1st time” on badlands, too. Maybe some tried out to play that map – maybe they got raped – maybe this is why they say that a map sucks.
puh…
Pls comment :D
@Geten²
My “whining” was not related on the ppl posting in this thread – it’s in general. The competitive scene – sorry but it is true – starts crying with every change that’s made. And we got the new map for about a month now and it should get banned. why? Because they played it once or twice and didn’t like it for some reason (they didn’t more often, i’m sure). I didn’t like granary in the beginning, i played it 5-10 times. I love it. I’m pretty annoyed because new content deserves its chance.
PS.: Where’s 2fort? Sure, most ppl don’t like it – but it’s a valid competitive map and at least as exciting as turbine (which is btw not). Well… maybe after 25 more updates there will be a map we all like… Then it will be badlands, granary and XY…
I’d prefer a version of well with no gates & setup time, also remove the blocking trains in the sides (I believe they were only created to support the setup time & gates). This would allow move movement for medic and scouts to roam around. :)
Supporting removing the 5sec rule.
quote tikcus:
The poll is flawed, and should be conducted in a secure manor, 1 vote per clan, and not a free for all as it is now.
This one wouldnt be perfectly fair either. Imagine a team where 4 ppl want the ban and 3 dont – would that be fair towards the latter?
Or, a team where the leader wants the ban but all of his team mates dont want it banned, and the leader knows that – it’s perfectly possible that the leader just votes for his team in his favor.
It’s a bad clan, if all members can’t agree on one position, and an even worse leader with such behaviour.
It’s a shame that 90% of the voters havent even tested the maps.
Imo they are both great, but i prefer waste over yukon.
“It’s a bad clan, if all members can’t agree on one position, and an even worse leader with such behaviour.”
Why is it a bad clan if each member doesnt have the same opinion? They don’t have to, but it’s fairer if each one can decide which option he chooses.
As for the bad leader: Ofc it’s not honorful to do such things but there will always be people that are that ruthless.
tbh I liked cp_yukon more than gullywash.
I hope Yukon is added next season by default. No polls. It is a good map indeed. Not too big or anything, hell you even get to the middle area faster than in granary when just walking with the medic for example.
people should be banned for voting no, on maps theyve never played
100% agree to exfane
I heard the polls are now manipulated because of users, who created multiple accounts on etf2l and voted on these polls.
I hope it’s not true. I don’t want the FaN-allow option to be leading just because of such shenanigans.
[quote]I heard the polls are now manipulated because of users, who created multiple accounts on etf2l and voted on these polls.[/quote]
yup and i know at least 2 who said they will do this to allow the FaN….
i am nearby saying “ETF2L suxx”…
Seems to have been a massive jump in the number of voters over the last 48 hours and I doubt everyone was staying in on Friday and Saturday to vote in the polls :P
Hax.
yeah the vote is now f*cked up :\ strange … morning the ban got around 790 vote and the allow got around 700 (less than the ban) after some hour the allow got 840 vote and the ban got only 795? wth? its a bit strange the allow got 140 vote under some hour … :\
Don’t worry about it.
mhh i also heard of a few players who created multiple accs for the vote.
we should get an UN election observer!
and it seems like the etf2l banned the first of this mutli acc voters! good job :)
omg what happened? :(
Can’t believe it were that many accounts…
Juh, this will allow the admins to go “lol rigged poll fan allowed kkthx”. What a facade :D
:D:D:D:D (safety smilies)
how can you NOT want to allow jumps over well middle? :/
because well would be like a faster paced 5 cp map then,
nobody wants a fast paced 5 cp point nowadays
i wish they did it so each team that would be in season 6 would get a vote, rather than each person, so then its just the people it affects and there will be less cheating votes
Q. Do the best scouts in the world use the FaN or the scattergun?
A. Scattergun
Q. Are the best scouts in the world more effective with the FaN or the scattergun?
A. Scattergun
The FaN is not overpowered if you have more damage potential with the scattergun. If it is not overpowered, the only 3 reasons why it could be banned are:
1) Annoyance,
2) Prefference,
3) Reduces realistic strategic options.
Since #3 is incorrect, only #1 and #2 could stand, and I personally don’t think that something being annoying or not being preffered is significant justification to warrent a ban.
+1 at arx
This is the whole point for banning the FaN.
Weak/mediocre scouts become extremely effective simply by switching to the FaN.
+1 AcidReniX
Q. Are the best scouts in the world more effective with the FaN or the scattergun?
A. Scattergun
Weak/mediocre scouts become extremely effective simply by switching to the FaN.
Doesnt quite fit together. If good players are better with the Scattergun it usually means that weak players are also better with the Scattergun.
Usually implies “not in all cases”.
F2 is completely right.
i am less annoyed by the FaN than by the Blutsauger..
Can i has blutsauger ban pl0x?!?
Ana: However, usually implies “in more than a half of all cases”.
Still, I can’t figure out what F2 meant. It just doesn’t make sense to me.
First of all, it is a fun mind experiment to think about what would’ve happened if FaN had been released with the game and Scattergun was released with the Scouts update… Then every top player would’ve played with FaN, and had to decide whether they should switch to scattergun. I would imagine that the majority would stick with FaN as that is what they would’ve played with for more than a year.
Anyway, that’s not the point. My point is, that it is easy to get good fast with FaN but in the long run scattergun is probably better.
You can see a scientific graph of it here.
I’m not commenting on whether the FaN should be banned or not, I’m just commenting on Arx’s argument which basically is “the best players don’t use it, so it’s not overpowered”. Just because the best players don’t use it, doesn’t mean it doesn’t have a significant impact on div2-3-4.
“My point is, that it is easy to get good fast with FaN but in the long run scattergun is probably better.”
Can’t see anything really bad about that (by really bad, I mean unacceptable). It just means that lower skilled players, if they use the FaN mainly, won’t improve past a certain point but get faster to that point than with the Scattergun. They still have to switch to the Scattergun at some point if they want to improve further – except they like the hit-and-run style better. The FaN is still an alternative rather than an upgrade.
In the end I’m pretty sure the major outcomes of matches aren’t determined by who’s using the FaN and who is not. It’s still the player that wins, not the weapon.
Demomen annoys me, ban-poll plz?
Stickylimit 2 anyone?
+1 arx
+1 f2
+1 yukon ;>
Solely due to Koeitje agreeing with F2s argument, the FAN will be allowed in S6. That is all, end of this official announcement. Thank you.
Why does noone see that the FaN is total op? Are you all kidding? See… the point is … you dont need to be skilled to kill sth REALLY fast!
If 1. shot hits -> Target stunned + so much damage taken! Then the target cant move anymore and you only have to press mouse1, or wherever you +attack have, again and the target is in best case just DEAD or if not its again stunned, and the scout can easily take out his pistol and fuck him up….
Other case, normally NOONE is in a fight full healed… so the FaN scouts have it again easier … 1 full shot here -> stunned, target cant avoid coming rockets or shit ir even can get pistoled easily by the scout… BECAUSE? HUH! HE CANT MOVE ANYMORE!!!
…
I hope the admins check that people are not just creating new accounts to rig the poll.
Imo only the votes of players that are participating in the upcoming season of etf2l should be counted.
I’ve deleted a little over 1500! votes, spread out over these 4 polls. All of these were made by a few shady figures who probably think they’re pretty cool. Because there were hardly any legit votes coming in anymore, the percentages aren’t gonna change much with over 1000 voters. Therefore the polls are now closed.
The results are as clear as they will ever be.
Just as they are depressing.
Amen to that, it appears the nature of the community is pretty conservative and averse to change as a whole :<
Or maybe they just don’t want to feel annoyed everytime they play the game?
Tell me one other fps that has as a stupid stun weapon as the fan?
To be honest I was primarily referring to the rejected new maps (both of which I personally think are good enough for inclusion) and the rejection of the Well rule change.. I’m not that bothered about the FaN either way.