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We left EU 15 mins ago are brits still allowed here?

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might be a good thing for me if i was banned from this website

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Quoted from SmAsH

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It is a well known Fact that the assasination of Franz Ferdinand started WW1

Some dude assassinating someone doesn’t start a WORLD WAR. Europe’s biggest powers Austria-Hungary and especially Germany retaliating by declaring war on Serbia/Russia and half of Europe DOES. Franz Ferdinand’s assassination was just an assassination and is not the cause of the war, it was simply an excuse for Austria-Hungary to justify declaring war on Serbia. The Dispute of land between the growing powers of Serbia and Austria-Hungary was leading to an inevitable conflict but not a world war. It was only due to Germany’s backing of Austria-Hungary that allowed them to declare war on Serbia, Russia and the western powers. It’s ridiculous to put the beginning of WW1 on a single assassination when there were already serious tensions between Austria-Hungary and the growing Serbian Empire along with Germany’s obvious desire to use their now massive military strengh for their own benefit. Austria-Hungary never would have gone to war without the backing of Germany.

Of course i’m not saying Germany are solely to blame for WW1, because obviously Austria-Hungary were the one’s who declared war on Serbia. However they would not have done this if not for the backing of Germany, who were Europe’s major Economic and Military power who knowingly turned this dispute into a full blown world war. Germany were well aware of the European alliances and knowingly started the war due to their belief that they would win with their massive military strengh and gain.

Also please don’t patronize me by asking if I know who Franz Ferdinand is. I should be asking you if you are actually aware of the complex political disputes between the Serbian Empire and Austria-Hungary as well as Germany, Russia and the UK. If you actually look beyond the wikipedia page you will notice that it was not as simple as “Franz Ferdinand got assassinated”.


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Swanny

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Quoted from sheepy dog's hand

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This post is embarrassing. You have no idea what you are talking about and your so-called facts are batshit fucking insane. If we left the UK we wouldn’t suddenly lose our exports to the United Kingdom. Do you actually think that if we left the UK, all trade between Scotland and the United Kingdom would just stop? This is one of the craziest thing’s i’ve ever heard. You don’t understand the economic situation of Scotland leaving the United Kingdom. Instead of bringing up valid points such as Currency, Military and other issues that the leave campaign failed to secure which is what I think lost us the vote, you instead call Scotland the United Kingdoms “bitch” because we trade with you.

Incredible.

You strike me as the so called labour voters, thinking money comes out of thin air. Maybe actually return to me with some facts like i did in my reply? Why so butthurt cuz i hit you with the harsh reality? IF Scotland left OF COURSE you wouldnt lose your exports but think of the domino effect. The UK doesnt rely on scotland for its imports we just buy them since we have a luxury of no tariffs, as soon as Scotland we would go to the cheapest seller, scotland would then have to compete just for the deals, on top that pay tariffs meaning their abilities to compete with our countries will alot more resources means they would lose ALOT of business. Scotland is a luxury not a necessarity, whereas Scotland good luck on the open market *insert middle finger here*

I did like you’re attempt of calling my facts bs but their only one search away. Hopefully they teach you how to google search. You’re scottish and can’t accept the facts of you’re own country maybe move somewhere else.

Now go like William Wallace and lose your head.

Swanny out

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If you are going to claim that you have facts, you need to link a reputable source that backs up those “facts” instead of saying “my facts are one google search away”. So far you have provided no facts to back up your arguments.

For example instead of saying “Scotland is our bitch” and putting your finger up, actually post some sources for your claims. There are many facts that show Scotland would (especially in the long term) benefit from becoming independent. You aren’t Scottish and obviously have no idea about things such as renewable energy, future trade with other countries, nuclear disarmament and so on. Now instead of doing what your typical Tory/UKIP voter does, I will actually post my sources instead of claiming my facts are facts without actually showing a single citation.

https://www.ft.com/content/30c23838-ee9f-11e9-ad1e-4367d8281195
https://fullfact.org/scotland/scotlands-international-trade-under-independence/
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13081481.scots-cnd-backs-yes-campaign/
https://www2.gov.scot/News/Releases/2012/02/LSE15022012

And of course the Scottish people now more than ever (at least the young ones) have developed their own national idendity which is a huge reason for us to become independent by itself. We lost the vote due to the aging population as the SNP did not appear until fairly recently and the older voters were brought up to support the Union. This is no longer the case.

http://www.nationalcollective.com/2014/05/19/jamie-mann-scotlands-cultural-and-political-reawakening-has-come-hand-in-hand/

I recommend you read a book on Scottish politics and try and educate yourself instead of throwing out insults. Also i’m obviously not a Labour voter, surely you must have realized by now I am a strong SNP supporter, but surely you can’t be THAT stupid.

Also good one with that William Wallace joke. Too bad you actually lost the 1st War of Independence after Robert the Bruce’s victory at the Battle of Bannockburn. Despite being outnumbered 3 to 1, not to mention with very few Scottish casualties, they ended up killing 2/3 of the English attacking force. However it doesn’t end there, because after that humiliating defeat, the English decided to start a 2nd war against Scotland. Which as i’m sure you know, was a big mistake and the English lost once again.

Stop getting your history from historically inaccurate movies when arguing with someone who was born in Scotland and has actually studied Scottish history.


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catman

Quoted from SmAsH

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The Soviets being one you could look into if you wished.

what are u trying to say brit?

Quoted from SmAsH

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As for WW2 I dont disagree that the invasion of Poland was a direct declartion and in turn sparked WW2 but that wasn’t just the Germans. That was planned with the Russians. The Hitler-Stalin pact. Many actually Blame Britain and France for WW2 since they didnt stand up to Germany earlier during the little Territorial Claims before Poland. I am not saying i do, just pointing that out.

it is called Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact and why people think that it was something bad to save atleast half poland from nazi and capitalizm slavery? atleast we dont betrayed our ally by not helping against poland invasion by germans like brits did.

FTH

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nice history thread swanny

Swanny

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Quoted from sheepy dog's hand

If you are going to claim that you have facts, you need to link a reputable source that backs up those “facts” instead of saying “my facts are one google search away”. So far you have provided no facts to back up your arguments.

For example instead of saying “Scotland is our bitch” and putting your finger up, actually post some sources for your claims. There are many facts that show Scotland would (especially in the long term) benefit from becoming independent. You aren’t Scottish and obviously have no idea about things such as renewable energy, future trade with other countries, nuclear disarmament and so on. Now instead of doing what your typical Tory/UKIP voter does, I will actually post my sources instead of claiming my facts are facts without actually showing a single citation.

https://www.ft.com/content/30c23838-ee9f-11e9-ad1e-4367d8281195
https://fullfact.org/scotland/scotlands-international-trade-under-independence/
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13081481.scots-cnd-backs-yes-campaign/
https://www2.gov.scot/News/Releases/2012/02/LSE15022012

And of course the Scottish people now more than ever (at least the young ones) have developed their own national idendity which is a huge reason for us to become independent by itself. We lost the vote due to the aging population as the SNP did not appear until fairly recently and the older voters were brought up to support the Union. This is no longer the case.

http://www.nationalcollective.com/2014/05/19/jamie-mann-scotlands-cultural-and-political-reawakening-has-come-hand-in-hand/

I recommend you read a book on Scottish politics and try and educate yourself instead of throwing out insults. Also i’m obviously not a Labour voter, surely you must have realized by now I am a strong SNP supporter, but surely you can’t be THAT stupid.

Also good one with that William Wallace joke. Too bad you actually lost the 1st War of Independence after Robert the Bruce’s victory at the Battle of Bannockburn. Despite being outnumbered 3 to 1, not to mention with very few Scottish casualties, they ended up killing 2/3 of the English attacking force. However it doesn’t end there, because after that humiliating defeat, the English decided to start a 2nd war against Scotland. Which as i’m sure you know, was a big mistake and the English lost once again.

Stop getting your history from historically inaccurate movies when arguing with someone who was born in Scotland and has actually studied Scottish history.

I can’t take you seriously tbh, you reply by posting your “sources” however the 1st one i click on is a someones opinion ahahahahahah, the following 2 links are just statements about possibilites and promises and the final one is a post in 2012 about the potential of Scotland going under a reindustrialisation. I do like you’re enthausiasm of trying to defend your land but try again please, with FACTS heres the link to most of your nations economics and try argue about them. I’ll wait. Leave the uk you risk losing a large majority of your exports your only real sustainable income would then be your oil and gas reverses but i said “sustainable” because oh wait, your supplies are running out what? 10 years left but given all the fuss about climate change i could see that becoming less and less . Not to mention all the other costs you will encounter such as healthcare (no nhs for you!), your tourism will drop a shit ton noone will want to apply for a visa to visit a pile of shit rocks. but fuck it im done with you now, Arguing against a history student in economics is like trying to have sex in ice cold water. Sources for my “facts” are below.

https://www2.gov.scot/Topics/Statistics/Browse/Economy/Exports/ESSPublication
https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/this-is-how-long-north-sea-oil-industry-has-got-left-dr-richard-dixon-1-4931056

Scottish education has taken a holiday it seems. You just can’t handle the superior English intelligence.

NeuTronas

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Quoted from catman

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what are u trying to say brit?

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it is called Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact and why people think that it was something bad to save atleast half poland from nazi and capitalizm slavery? atleast we dont betrayed our ally by not helping against poland invasion by germans like brits did.

Don’t pretend that Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was to “save our ally”. It was a completely selfish move.
That pact was a disaster for the Baltics and Poland. Soviets and Germans after that completely ruined our economy and culture that EU is helping us to restore now. We lost independence, territories. Soviets initiated mass deporatations of educated people to Siberia and other repressions. As you probably know Stalin’s regime killed even more people than Hitler’s.


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I agree with the guy that doesn’t sound like an edgy 14 year old arguing politics on the internet; go figure.

To the other guy: “Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.” – Robert the Bruce

catman

Quoted from NeuTronas

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Don’t pretend that Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was to “save our ally”. It was a completely selfish move.
That pact was a disaster for the Baltics and Poland. Soviets and Germans after that completely ruined our economy and culture that EU is helping us to restore now. We lost independence, territories. Soviets initiated mass deporatations of educated people to Siberia and other repressions. As you probably know Stalin’s regime killed even more people than Hitler’s.

child of western capitalist propaganda

do i say something about polish-russian ally? no
Ussr saved half poland than made it buffer war zone for future, still better than making genocide of polish people like germans did or not just helping to allyies like brits did.

How coulde Ussr ruined your economy if they were building in your country petrochemistry, mechanical engineering, metalworking, oil refinary and other type of factoryes, electric stations based on hydro and atom wich is still your main electric suply, roads and work, increased your population wich start degrading after union fold. And the main what Ussr gave you was ability to be a part of most strongest union in the world.

And after Ussr was terminated what do u have?
Demografic situation worse before ww2 becouse most of your citizen left your country to work in better place( to make other EU countries economy better) most factories closed or sold to other EU countries, u cant even produce something without EU permission.

Even if (i say even if becouse u are not able to prove it with facts) stalin kill more than hitler or deportate that was for all type of countries in the union and not specialy done for your country.

So what we have here in the end ? a silly capitalistic slave neutronas thinks that eu is helping him to ………. make his dreams happens i guess.

catman

And for some reason stupid people dont realise that the whole world during 20 century was doing things wich today world woulde mostly not do. Its the same as stupid as blaming сrusades. american slavery, antiscienced europe or stalin killing political dissidents after civil war.

NeuTronas

WE DID IT

Quoted from catman

child of western capitalist propaganda

Great facts. You are a child of Putin propaganda, so which one propaganda is worse?

Quoted from catman

still better than making genocide of polish people like germans did

Deporting our intelligent people to Siberia (where is nowhere to live, cold af), divorcing them from families, making them work for USSR and killing them is not any better than a concentration camps.

Quoted from catman

petrochemistry, mechanical engineering, metalworking, oil refinary and other type of factoryes, electric stations based on hydro and atom wich is still your main electric suply, roads and work, increased your population

Just because you built factories or electric stations that were made for the whole USSR does not mean it was “investment” for our better life. Russians just immigrated all over the Baltics and took their jobs. Look at the percentage how many russians still live in Estonia, Latvia, etc. Just because demographically we had more people, it doesn’t mean our demographic position was better. Communism does not work and it fucked you and us.

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And the main what Ussr gave you was ability to be a part of most strongest union in the world.

weakest*. Look at any economical map: all post soviet countries are struggling to reach economy of western countries.

Quoted from catman

u cant even produce something without EU permission.

And I am very glad. Finally we closed our nuclear power plant as it was built in the exact same way as Chernobyl. I feel much safer to live with EU regulations, knowing that safety is much more important.

Quoted from catman

Stalin kill more than Hitler or deportate that was for all type of countries

Doesn’t sound any better. Nazis were specifically against certain nations, while soviets were just killing everyone including their own allies.

There is a reason why we wanted independence, don’t you think so?

I will not reply or discuss anything related to this topic anymore as clearly our opinions are different and I don’t think any of us wants to change that :).


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catman

Quoted from NeuTronas

Great facts. You are a child of Putin propaganda, so which one propaganda is worse?

putin is a capitalist and anti socialist/communist so his propaganda is the same u get in school

Quoted from NeuTronas

Deporting our intelligent people to Siberia (where is nowhere to live, cold af), divorcing them from families, making them work for USSR and killing them is not any better than a concentration camps.

So u think that deportation was made just to make it or what? u think that all lithunian people where inoncence? People who get killed were killed becouse of breaking the law.
Many pribalts where cooperate with germans during ww2, so please think at least that 131 k of deported(mostly in russian prisons) can realy be guilty. Ussr was not Canada who sheltered post nazi and allow them to live free.

Quoted from NeuTronas

Just because you built factories or electric stations that were made for the whole USSR does not mean it was “investment” for our better life. Russians just immigrated all over the Baltics and took their jobs. Look at the percentage how many russians still live in Estonia, Latvia, etc. Just because demographically we had more people, it doesn’t mean our demographic position was better. Communism does not work and it fucked you and us.

Building factories was equal for all countries in Ussr, and becouse socialism/communism is based on priority for the people and not for personal wallet or capital means that all was done to make your people have a work and entertainments. Just imagine that Ussr can easily do https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost but instad of nazis plan u where given a chance to be free humans.
Russ pop in pribaltic – latvia 8% , estonia 25%, lithunia 2% less than poland. Yes all thise 2 % surely made your demografy grow and not the regime. And thise proves that Ussr and that quality of life they brought to your country make your demografy grow.

Taking jobs by imigrants is a only problem in capitalistic countries and not for socialistic empire becouse of it ideas.

If a 1st plane crushed doesnt mean that 2nd will not fly, same for communism. U need to be very dumb not to undestand thise things.
Nobody still can say exact reasons why communism was fallen. Natural or unnatural.

Quoted from NeuTronas

weakest*. Look at any economical map: all post soviet countries are struggling to reach economy of western countries.

Did i say something about POST SOVIET ally? no, so why u compare post soviets capitalistic countries who need to get there place under sun with no exp to do it. So i gonna say again if u are not able to read correctly. Lethunia WAS A PART OF A STRONGEST MILITARY AND ECONOMIC UNION IN THE WORLD.

Quoted from NeuTronas

And I am very glad. Finally we closed our nuclear power plant as it was built in the exact same way as Chernobyl. I feel much safer to live with EU regulations, knowing that safety is much more important.

Yes be glad to pay more. 1st plane falls 2nd fly, same for atom.

Quoted from NeuTronas

Doesn’t sound any better. Nazis were specifically against certain nations, while soviets were just killing everyone including their own allies.

can u atleast prove that ? no u cant, becouse u dont know anything about that u dont even read those who spread thise idias personaly. 1st u get acquainted with the material and then we coulde discuss it,

Quoted from NeuTronas

There is a reason why we wanted independence, don’t you think so?

Reason why some people in the world whants independence from somethings is american propaganda.
And being independent or alone like the guy who is hoping scotland leave britain will not make your country stronger.
Quoted from NeuTronas

I will not reply or discuss anything related to this topic anymore as clearly our opinions are different and I don’t think any of us wants to change that :).

Best way to wash out from discussion. But atleast understand 1 thing, communism/socialism doesnt stay for making people dead or unhappy. For future education read “Das Capital”


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