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Premier Division
Week 7
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Damage Control
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Thursday 1st November?
“We´re doin a hundred on the highway
So if you do the speed limit, get the f*** outta my way”
Because this match has not been scheduled by either of the teams, a default date has been set for this match.
The default date is: Thursday, 01 November 2012, 21:15
Please play this match on the appointed time and submit the results.
Default win to Crack Clan, we cannot play on the default date and couldn’t reschedule.
Shame, but nothing we can do, GG.
gg, wp etf2l.
gg hope to play you next season, stick together!
and gg trial admins gubbins,fml
Anticlimactic end to the season for what potentially is a last playoff position match (if CC dropped 6 points they wouldn’t make the playoffs). Still, it’s not CC’s fault, we had 2 potential days to choose from, CC couldn’t make one, we couldn’t make the other. Just so happens the default day works in CC’s favor so we had no choice but to give a default.
Sad as I think both teams, and numerous third persons were looking forward to this match! Still, it’s a fault with the system, and if the admins aren’t willing to compromise despite having done earlier in the season in other games, then there’s nothing we can do.
gg.
A default at this stage is not good for the league, the spectators and qn or decerto who were still challenging for the playoffs. Really disappointed to see this.
I couldn’t agree more. Considering there are teams that are playing their last games of the season as late as the 6th and 10th of November, we aren’t give a chance to play beyond the 1st of November. CC also had a game earlier on in the season extended after a default game had been set.
I mean, I could just be missing something obvious here, but the only thing that I see is the admins potentially ruining the run in to the season for almost no reason?
The default day works for CC because they proposed it and nobody from Damage Control has shown any noteworthy effort on the match page, be it comments or be it proposals.
Cannot remember when we were “willing to compromise” earlier in the season…
The other teams that are playing in the catch up week have asked for extensions in the time frame given and dont come 2 or 3 days before the game is supposed to happen. There are rules for extensions and there are rules for week 7. And everyone has to stick to them.
The rules for extensions got changed btw. To avoid that all the teams are waiting for the Default Date only to ask for an extension then and push their games back without punishment.
I find it interesting you choose to blame the system, or better yet, blame admins for not bending league rules. It’s not a fault in the system, it’s an expected consequence of ignoring the system’s rules.
The default date – November the 1st – is based on Admirable’s proposal, as it is the only date suggestion on the match page. DC had two days to either accept this as their schedule officially on the match page, or offer their own proposal, either in match comments or the schedule menu. Conflicting proposals would directly influence the choice of default date, whereas an accepted proposal would have avoided a defdate altogether and made this match eligible for an extension.
This situation was easily preventable by using the match scheduling system. It takes minutes to propose a date on the match page and ask your opponent to accept it. There is no excuse for ignoring the simple procedure we have in place for scheduling matches.
If DC could not play on Nov 1st, why did they not post anything on the match page? Why did they not post a date they could play on? Why did they not use the schedule system? What did they expect to achieve by neglecting scheduling?
It is a shame that spectators will not get to see this match, but from what I can see, they have nobody but DC to blame. I hope teams learn from this rather than expect special treatment in the future.
So Sonny, what’s happened in this match?
http://etf2l.org/matches/35772/
Match not scheduled by either team.
No wildcards used, default date set as Sunday 23 September.
No wildcards used, Match then scheduled for Sunday 30th of September.
No wildcards used, Match then extended until 6th of October.
So you changed the rules mid-season? So you’re a league that gives a team an unfair advantage? You should be consistent for the benefit of the league…
Not everyone knows a week in advance if they can make a game, for some reason you disallow wildcards on this week, so unless players knew back on the 24th that they could make it, it was always going to have this outcome.
The biggest problem for me, is that you have teams playing Week 6 games, next week, but a week 7 game can’t be played next week. Do you honestly not see an issue with this? There’s a huge flaw in the system somewhere.
As for asking for extensions in the correct time frame:
September 21st, 2012 at 13:34 – “The default date is: Sunday, 23 September 2012, 21:15”
September 24th, 2012 at 23:54 – “will be played on sunday 30 september 21:15cet”
September 30th, 2012 at 19:06 – “Extension allowed. Please play this match until October 6th”.
So teams can write on the match page a day after the default date, extend it, and then admins are giving an extension 1 hour before new date. We mention it several days before hand, and admins say, “Sorry, it can’t be done”.
It’s actually a joke lol.
The policy on extensions was changed after that match occured and announced twice in newsposts.
http://etf2l.org/2012/10/09/season-13-division-1-match-elemental-violence-vs-uv-ninjas/
http://etf2l.org/2012/10/12/experimenting-with-experiments/
All matches before the change were governed by the old extension policy, without exceptions. All matches after the policy change have been processed under the new policy and treated equally, whether they involved division 6 newcomers or premiership veterans.
ONE map, cc//, that’s all you needed
cc//minimoose: lets take the default
cc//minimoose: i would gape them anyways
The problem here is the ridiculous rule that was added mid-season 3 weeks ago, buried inside a newspost about a div1 game that was on the top of the page for ONE DAY.
And get over yourselves about the default dates. Teams do not always know in advance if they can make certain dates, hence why a huge majority of games get the default date and are rescheduled by the teams later on. In this case we knew Sunday night after the default was set that we wouldn’t make it (would need 2-3 mercs), only to find out this rule stops us from playing on the catch-up week.
Crack Clan are in the right claiming this default since they knew Thursday was the only day they could play this week, and have proposed it. In normal situations it would be just as well for us since we have a wildcard, extensions, rescheduling options, but those were all taken from us.
Now we could’ve just ignored the admins, played it late and taken warnings, but CC apparently couldn’t have played any single day of the catch-up week either (which I don’t buy for a second by the way ipz).
What’s done is done, but just don’t go defending this utter monstrosity of a rule set. Do me at least that kindness, please.
I want to see this game played :(
So you don’t see the issue with those rule changes that you’ve made?
For this particular week, we’ve had to give several days notice, with no available options to suspend the match in the event of an emergency.
Let’s make the assumption that the reason why we didn’t respond to the date CC proposed, is because we were happy with it. This would have had the same outcome as us accepting it (the match day would be set).
But we can’t wildcard the game, we can’t reschedule, the only option we are given, if we can’t make the game on Thursday, is to give a default. So if someone’s net goes down, we have to give a default, if someone has plans at the last minute, we have to give a default. Every other week, there’s a wildcard system in place for this reason, but for some reason this week, it can’t be wildcarded, despite this being the last game of the season for both of these teams, and it’s not like other premiership teams would be waiting for this game to finish, as half of them are playing games next week, up until at least the 10th of October.
Considering the amount of notice we have given (several days), I would have thought there would be possible arrangements to move the game. It’s not like, a last second cancellation, and as mentioned above, the league isn’t waiting for either of these teams to complete their matches. So I really don’t understand the problem here.
just to clarify some things snyyppis
ipz has his reasons that he cant play from this sunday to next sunday, which dont belong in this thread or the internet at all
PS: another minor for us and we would have got a major b4d4ss 4 l1fe
If that indeed is true then I won’t go into that sam.
What’s one major for you though sam endboss? :D
1 point deduction? All it would’ve meant that we’d have needed a 4-2 win instead of the 5-1 for the draw.
idc about the penalty point it would have made is to some kind of supervillains though
you know always against the system, breaking the rules giving gotham the endboss they deserve
us*
Yes so in short, because we can’t make one day, yet we know of this day in reasonable advance (at least 4 days in advance), we have no choice but to take a default loss, despite being available every other day of this week, the weekend, and the catchup week.
CC are only available one of these days, the proposed default date.
Any other week of the season, we would have wildcarded this match (up to 15 minutes before the game time), and then CC would have been forced to play with a merc, or default the match, because there’s only one day they can make with their full team.
What would have happened if we had of proposed say… Sunday as the game day. I bet that CC would complain that the only day they could make is Thursday, and the default date would have still been set to that, but that’s just theory with nothing to support it.
The rules need to be sorted out, regardless of this season, otherwise teams are going to start to exploit this for their own benefit. If your team can make every day of the week, you might as well wait for their proposition date, then propose one that they have said they can’t make… force it to go to a default date, and hope they can’t make that either. With no wildcard option available, and the option to deny merc usage, you’ve just manipulated your way towards a league win for your team!
I won´t tell you exactly what happend but one of my very close family members got a cancer message 2nights ago and the first surgeries will be happening at the beginning of the next week. Since it´s a very old member of my family the outcome of this surgeries are very vague.Therefore I dont want to have anyhting TF2/Team related in the back of my head for the next week until I see whats going down. I told Arx half of this story last night and I hoped to not see this kind of comments Snyypis. Other than that do I not see any reason to take minorwarnings -> majorwarnings if we were prepared for this match and could have played on the default date. gl in the future
cc//minimoose:10k damage
cc//minimoose: inot even on the map
I was not aware of that ipz, and it most definitely was not my intention to go through your personal life like this so I apologize for that. I simply found it difficult to believe you could not make any single day next week.
My condolences and best of luck to you and your family.
thanks bro
Okay so just to sum up this; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnQ-5uFuDtc
We all know you’re just too scared of spary, retshock, it’s quite alright.
weiter weiter
You can’t cut back on scheduling, you will regret this!
this won’t be played today due to obvious reasons. alol
Jakle, it’s not the scheduling that’s the issue.
We could play at the time CC suggested the game.
We can’t play now. Something’s come up.
Whether you want to call it as, someone’s net going down, or their hard drive died, or they are in hospital, it doesn’t matter. Also doesn’t matter that we notified the admins 4 days early.
If any other week, the game would be wildcarded, and rescheduled, but it’s not possible in week 7. This is the cause of this issue.
u all idiots
especially smzi
I had this problem 2 seasons ago… yep.