ETF2L AFS Season 2010
Division 4f
Week 1
Scheduled:
Results submitted:
by albert (Team epx^)
This match does not count as one of the teams dropped from this competition.
Players
| 81 TeaM | (7) skeej, Xabi, Bennett, Descius, poxie, SmoKe, Clog Life |
| Team epx^ | (7) Bassie, albert, Maso, Lowz, Zoh, Sgt Walter Melon, Razzle |
Warnings
- Team epx^ [Minor] Unable to provide a requested demo (1st time)
- 81 TeaM [Minor] Special kind of rule break (1st time) - see match comment for explanation
Demos
- Map 2 (cp_badlands): First Person [Pruned] by skeej (447 Downloads)
- Map 1 (cp_obscure): First Person [Pruned] by skeej (361 Downloads)
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sup bros!
do you wanna play this on thursday 24th! at 21:00 CEST!
Hey guys !
Can we make it like 20:30 or something ?
20:30 should be fine too, I will notify you as soon as I know if this becomes a problem, but as it stands I will schedule it then
Ok, perfect :)
any chance we can reschedule this game to friday or saturday?
Sorry, we can only have our lineup ready on thursday.
Okay. We’re not playing on thursday whatever happens though, so we’ll have to reschedule for next week. Sorry! My medic only just told me he’s visting a uni that day so he won’t be back in time.
Scratch that, I’ll see if I can get hold of someone else.
But I may wildcard the match, just a heads up.
So ?
we are good to play today, sorry for any inconvenience.
:D!
gg guys, was v close both maps
Hi 81 Team and epx,
Please upload your POV demos from this match to ETF2L or a file sharing site such as Mediafire by Sunday 21CET.
ALL players must upload demos from both maps as per this request. Failure to do so will be a breach of our rules and appropriate punishment will be given.
Thanks in advance for your co-operation.
Regards,
D2M
http://www.mediafire.com/?ifgmyxwjvzn
My POVs
http://localhostr.com/files/34a162/opsrofl.dem <- obscure
http://localhostr.com/files/47ebd9/opsrofl_4.dem <- badlands
http://localhostr.com/files/da967b/opsrofl_3.dem <- obscure golden cap
http://www.mediafire.com/?nczmzbznncz
Yo,
I only played on badlands…
lowz:
http://localhostr.com/files/b7c0f6/20100624_2024_cp_obscure_final_red_blu.dem
http://localhostr.com/files/ee3c0d/20100624_1949_cp_obscure_final_red_blu.dem
http://localhostr.com/files/7f4b84/20100624_2033_cp_badlands_red_blu.dem
Zoh times out at 6.30~. On Lowz demo, this is at tick 25000.
My POVs
http://www.mediafire.com/?mjdjydbmzyv
http://www.mediafire.com/?eanymzzzhft
http://www.mediafire.com/?ymf35wmiuym
http://www.mediafire.com/?d1eveir0nhj
I gave links to my demos to albert, they don’t appear to be here so I’ll reupload tonight after my course.
http://www.zshare.net/download/77597596dd30f6a0/
http://www.mediafire.com/?kythwy4ntij
http://www.mediafire.com/?mmzjmmtmwwj
think thats it, let me know if theres a problem and glad to re ul
http://www.mediafire.com/?5linynkmgij <- timed out/disconnected here tick 18200 is when the timeout starts.
http://www.mediafire.com/?znummzzzyky <- came back for golden cap round
http://www.mediafire.com/?hmkjjz55mny <- Badlands
epx has no more demos, I think.
I think my demo is also useless, as I only remembered to record when Zoh timed out.
I uploaded mine trough the admin panel.
Hi team epx and 81 team.
Please upload the correct results (1-1 for the first map + golden cap) within the next day.
Additionally a minor warning will be given to each team. 81 team did not pause when asked, make sure you know the etf2l rules like the pause rule (1.6.14 http://etf2l.org/about/rules/#7). Team epx did not submit all their demo’s and will receive a small warning as well, dont forget to remind your team-mates to record demo’s.
Cheers
Funny.
Next time, remind us to be fairplay, don’t wait 20 minutes and ask instantly for a default win.
I love these rules guys. We were not aware that the rule changed from season 7 to the AFS. Have you post any annoucement about that on the main page ? So please, when you change rules, make sure everyone know that they have been changed
We could have asked for a default win but we wanted to play this match. It’s really unfair.
from now on we will not allow any mercs and we will ask for default win if teams are not coming on time.
Thank you for the fair ruling admins, I’ve already nudged all our teammates to install PREC, sorry for the shortfall on the demos.
Basing results on assumptions. Nice one.
Assuming if we had paused we wouldn’t have made the winning cap?
To be perfectly honest I think the result is shocking, but then again I am going to be bias in some way. But seriously. I spoke to an admin after the match and was told one thing, then the complete opposite happens.
Lets assume something else then. We waited 20 minutes for them to get on the server then they swapped players in the middle of the game. Admins and Team epx can assume we want a default win, GG.
It’s a shame this happened as such. Was an awesome match, so close! I hate to sound retarded aswell but rules are there and are there for a reason. To also be fair you go on about this 20 min wait but didnt have you’re full 6 on till we did :)
All in all i see you guys having a good future and good luck in all your other matches :)
A few things I forgot to mention.
I find it absolutely that you’re discarding a single round due to a player drop. At the time of the drop it was 1-0 or 2-0. So what you’ve decided is basically because of a player drop the whole round is negated and doesn’t count.
Lets replay the single round then. We’ll start by capping mid and gaining uber advantage, as it was in the match and in the specific round.
“If you need to pause, you must clearly request a pause and give a reason for it (for example: “Pause please, player drop”). The other team is then, by rule, expected to pause at the first appropriate time in a sensible and sportsmanlike manner (e.g. not in the middle of a push).”
The main point I’m looking at is
“appropriate time in a sensible and sportsmanlike manner (e.g. not in the middle of a push).”
While we weren’t aware of the rule it still was not an appropriate time to pause.
We were 6, our medic had to reconnect before you joined the server.
Finally to end my wall of text.
IRC Chat log with admin after the match;
[21:09] you can’t magically go back to a point where a team could have paused but are unaware of it or don’t do so
[21:09] they told us it was 1 all as we hadn’t paused
[21:09] the win would stay :)
score was 0-0 at time of disconnect, if your medic was reconnecting yet we had 6 on the server not our problem,
[21:09] you can’t magically go back to a point where a team could have paused but are unaware of it or don’t do so
[21:09] they told us it was 1 all as we hadn’t paused
[21:09] the win would stay :)
people can be wrong, the rules specify that the round is forfeit should there be no pause when one drops. Admins can make mistakes too, they ARE human.
It is your responsibility not the admins to make sure you know the rules.
“appropriate time in a sensible and sportsmanlike manner (e.g. not in the middle of a push).”
neither teams were uber charged or ubered, and neither teams were moving from defensive positions. To quote albert, it was in the “lull” of combat (check your demos, im sure he wouldn’t be typing whilst alive if someone was attacking).
Just cos you were ignorant of the rules doesn’t mean that you are immune from them. I wish the game could have been played out without the unpleasantness of what happened in the first game.
I hope we can play again sometime, next time without anything like this happening. Other than the problem with the rules I really enjoyed the game, it was quite close really.
Lowz
Xabi – http://etf2l.org/2010/03/08/community-initiatives-rule-and-admin-changes-player-bans/
In addition, the rule was added to the Rules page with immediate effect on 8th March 2010.
This means that the rule has been in place for 15 weeks. Before competing in ANY season, you should make yourself fully aware of all rules. It’s your failure to do so that has cost your team, not the Admins. I’d suggest you make yourself fully aware of the details before commenting.
Poxie – You didn’t explain the full situation to me and you are quoting me out of context. Why not include the full quote, instead of making people believe I said something different. You said to me:
-21:08:44- (poxie) so after map they said it was 1-1 and we had to replay
-21:09:00- (D2M) ?
-21:09:06- (poxie) Basically
-21:09:10- (poxie) We had won the map
-21:09:13- (poxie) 2-1
-21:09:30- (poxie) then after the map ended
-21:09:37- (D2M) you can’t magically go back to a point where a team could have paused but are unaware of it or don’t do so
-21:09:38- (poxie) they told us it was 1 all as we hadn’t paused
You’ve told me here that you finished a map and the other team complained afterwards. This is why I very clearly said that it was not possible to go back to a map afterwards and make a complaint about it. What you didn’t tell me was that you had ignored the request for the game to be paused and continued playing, which was a breach of our rules.
There were 2 points that needed to be capped from the request for a pause to the end of the round. You could very easily have capped CP4 and then paused the game.
Not knowing the rules is an admittance of failure on the part of your team.
It’s as simple as that 81 Team. You can continue to argue this as long as you like but it’s you that fucked up by not learning the rules. The end.
To be honest, there WAS asked to pause the game when the epx^ player dropped, I was in STV speccing with two other players (one supporting epx^, the other supporting 81-team) and we all were surprised no reaction came to that request during the match.