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Hi, i want to start streaming my tf2 game play. I have had a look around different website and i do not have a clue on how to go about setting it up. I have downloaded different programs dxtory, wirecast and xsplit. turns out i do not have a clue what im doing. I have a twitch.tv channel set up just not sure what to do. Any help would be brilliant.
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http://skyride.org/2012/10/the-complete-guide-to-streaming-tf2-with-obs/
is good as long as you dont fallow the suggested bitrates
Quoted from AnimaL
[…]is good as long as you dont fallow the suggested bitrates
There’s a few things wrong with that guide, but the bitrates are not one of them. :p
you still believe that ? rofl
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you still believe that ? rofl
Go ahead and be constructive for once. :)
1st. If you plan on having many viewers on peak european times, then anything over 3.5-4k target birate will be unwatchable (its more like 3500 from my experience) as twich is shit and cant handle big bitrates once you go in hundreds of watchers or generally in peak hrs… Whether it will be watchable or not also depends on where twitch wants you to download the stream from so if you get close to ur location or low used server chances is that you will be smooth while many others may not. Also twitch download servers are assigned to IP, so refreshing wont change the download server.
2nd. The reason why he writes that his target bitrate can go even twice as high as he puts in is because he has stupid high buffer. The “use same as target bitrate if you dont know what this does” applies… Personally after streaming for vanilla a while i concluded that having buffer 300-400kbps above target bitrate allows for smoothest user experience without going into insane bitrates nobody can download (keep in mind, you will exceed the buffer bitrate a tiny bit)… But personally id recommend starting with the same as ur target bitrate.
3rd. vbvmaxbitrate= option doesnt work when u set huge buffers… in fact it doesnt work at all so having it is misleading that you will not go above the pointed bitrate, because you will – depending how high ur buffer is
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an actual helpful response ? rofl
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Quoted from AnimaL
1st. If you plan on having many viewers on peak european times, then anything over 3.5-4k target birate will be unwatchable (its more like 3500 from my experience) as twich is shit and cant handle big bitrates once you go in hundreds of watchers or generally in peak hrs…
Well for a start that’s just not true. If by “big viewers” you mean like 1500+ then sure you’ve got a point, but Twitch really isn’t that bad as long as you’re on a solid ingest server. But let’s be real, nobody other than TF.TV or VTV is ever getting anything approaching that kind of viewership. If we were talking about this a year ago you would have had a point, but not now.
Whether it will be watchable or not also depends on where twitch wants you to download the stream from so if you get close to ur location or low used server chances is that you will be smooth while many others may not. Also twitch download servers are assigned to IP, so refreshing wont change the download server.
I’m not actually sure what you’re saying here. If you are talking about Ingest servers (the server you as the streamer are sending data to), then that’s a complete load of bollocks. If you are talking the edge server the viewer is receiving your stream from, then that’s 1) a gross oversimplification of TwitchTV’s network and 2) is totally irrelevant and unrelated in any way to the settings you are streaming with.
2nd. The reason why he writes that his target bitrate can go even twice as high as he puts in is because he has stupid high buffer. The “use same as target bitrate if you dont know what this does” applies… Personally after streaming for vanilla a while i concluded that having buffer 300-400kbps above target bitrate allows for smoothest user experience without going into insane bitrates nobody can download (keep in mind, you will exceed the buffer bitrate a tiny bit)… But personally id recommend starting with the same as ur target bitrate.
Well allow me to retort, not based on my anecdotal experience of streaming a dozen or so times over the last month and half, but with helping to sort out almost everyone else who’s ever streamed for VTV and most of the top streamers in Europe, and a number of top streamers in Dota 2, and experimenting with various settings and software configurations extensively for well over a year.
You’re actually right that my suggestion about buffer size is wrong and i’ve revised it in the Dota 2 guide already (and will be changing it in the TF2 guide when I get around to it), but your explanation WHY is completely wrong. Buffer size has no effect on what bitrate OBS puts out. None. At all. None. I had the same misconception when I wrote the guide, but i’ve done a huge amount of reading into how the x264 encoder works. If you’d like to actually educate yourself instead of looking like an idiot on the matter feel free to navigate to your favourite internet search website and enter the search term “VBV Model”.
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