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The changes were thought of and noted down way WAY before you’re whine came into place, however no one can deny that people have come up with some right ideas koeitje, and more importantly I’m not out to prove anyone wrong.

Need to get it in that sturdy head of yours that the internet is not all full of people like you :x

Cheers

Byte

“So don’t give me that bullshit that I don’t even provide constructive feedback.”

No one has stated that you haven’t given me constructive feedback Koeitje.

Please don’t refer or even try and say you’ve credited towards this map in terms of your mockup I still have it in my maps directory and despite your valiant and muchly appreciated effort I wouldn’t be proud of it to the extent of saying that i’ve used a design aspect/property off it?

I have plenty of alpha and beta testers to prove so otherwise. More importantly anyone who does come up with constructive feedback which sometimes I have incorporated into the map, I have always credited some examples

Genesis creating a side door for the ramp room and also moving it so it extends out onto cp3 rather than in or near cp2.

Runesky – Alot of design/visuals he thought that was inappropriate again credited for.

I haven’t got a problem admitting if i’ve been wrong in some cases of the map i do believe the map does need more pace and its slowed down as Fragga rightly suggested with the demoman and his stickies slowing down choke points so much.

There’s plenty of others, however the point is if you do say something useful and i’ve used it you’ll be mentioned, and if you haven’t yet you shall most certaintly right at the very end of this project.

Cheers

Byte

Quoted from byte

“So don’t give me that bullshit that I don’t even provide constructive feedback.”

No one has stated that you haven’t given me constructive feedback Koeitje.

Please don’t refer or even try and say you’ve credited towards this map in terms of your mockup I still have it in my maps directory and despite your valiant and muchly appreciated effort I wouldn’t be proud of it to the extent of saying that i’ve used a design aspect/property off it?

You were implying it.

Frankly I don’t really care whether you used it or not, I’m just glad we had the same ideas. Just wanted to say that my quick mockup had many features that your current design also has (before I even saw that, this was a couple of days before you fixed it). Two main entrances, a staircase leading up to a place where people would wait before they would push because the lobby itself didn’t really offer much cover. You could still look down into the lobby though. From there one could push in through top but was semi protected from spam because of a wall/doorway (your current glass @ top). It also had a way on the sides for pushing in from the left (attackers Pov). Your old waterway but a better version of it, because the map needed a proper way to go for a backcap (the side hallway meets up in a place where the majority of the enemy team will be. Take for example badlands, the backstairs allows you to go outside if people are not watching it. On your map this is virtually impossible because everything can be watched. Hell, even on granary it is easier to get into the garage as a scout to slow the enemy down or whatever when defending last). To be quite honest, the only really unique thing you have going currently is balcony.

It would be great if spies also capped at x2. Except for last caps.

Main areas of fps optimization are lobby cp1 and cp2 left side (if attacking) is being fixed/sorted m8ty.

Watch out guys for rc2 its gonna be the biggest ever update i’ve done to the map since the alpha stage so… here’s hoping :x i’ll keep you guessing as to whats been changed, altered added ;).

Stay tuned.

Cheers

Byte

Hoping for the return of the back cap tunnel!

considered putting a train into this map ;)

Always like the idea of a train running on an elevated track somewhere, so you can rocket jump on top it and stuff. :3

Anyway keep up the good work