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Thats because his pointers have already been discussed and had a reply in this thread, people need to go read the feedback given by others as I really don’t want to repeat myself, sounds fair no?

In summary its what wildcard has said people seem to think it’s meant to be like badlands and granary? but if i wanted to make it exactly like them then whats the point in making a map? might as well just leave it at cp_badlands and granary.

The map is called obscure for a reason, for those with half a brain you’ll notice you have to use obscure tactics something which is out of most clans depth to proceed, having said this obviously if a team rick rolls then u get rick rolled through the entire map but what if you get 2 even teams? It then goes down to the battle of the strats and individual skill of a player changing to a particular class.

The fact that people are saying it’s slow makes me smirk a little but at the same time makes me sigh because it’s just lack of game play, knowledge and watching (as it’s not being played yet in leagues so people can’t watch src tv and so on).

Wait until you’ve played the map well enough you’ll notice certain things you wouldn’t do in say badlands or granary but have to in obscure…

Believe me this map is fast paced if you understand it and by that i mean if you go sit down and think up some strats for your clan, it’s definitely not slow.

One thing i’d like to guarantee is that this map definitely lets the “lower” skilled clans have more of a chance winning being that the tactics and strats have to be more obscure than a normal map, something which i’ve noticed lower skilled players use i.e. more obscure routes/tactics.

The hint and secret to the map in terms of winning is the map name ‘cp_obscure‘, no doubt if the skill ratio is too high no matter how obscure you will lose as there’s only so much a map can cater for all kinds of game play and players skill, but apply the knowledge of ‘obscurity’ in your tactics and see where you get.

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Byte

This map doesn’t differ from gran/blands in terms of offering “obscure” routes. I’m not saying it’s bad the way it is now, but calling the obscure routes the maps trademark just makes me lol.

You mean fastlane with fps-drops.

Quoted from Fragga

Simple fact is that it’s too sniper and demoman friendly. Both of these classes grind the speed of the game right down and this contributes massively to why this map often plays so slow – made worse by the inability for scouts to get behind undetected.

Its a good map which could be a great map, make another route (perhaps an under-passage) from middle to 4th with an exit in the respawn room and another route (perhaps a drop-down vent) from lobby area to an exit near their right-respawn door to prevent them from retreating to the resupply area during an attack on final.

God you can’t half whine Koeitje, and wait for rc2 please some fundamental changes are coming along with a massive visual change on cp1 :)

There was going to be a release today however i’ve asked for some geometric/layout change/addition to certain areas of the map which will make it flow even more, (including a blind spot for scouts to get behind from cp2 to cp3 and vice versa)

I think fragga’s comment is a constructive one to a point however it being sniper friendly is a definite disagreement from me, due to the changes upcoming a sniper being flanked is more inevitable is the reason i say this. :D but it’s definitely demoman heaven in terms of sticky traps. This will be rectified in a particular area on the map however as for the beams you’ll just have to deal with it, least you can see them next to the beam rather than in a rock or a plank of wood which has a hole huh? :-)

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Byte

“due to the changes upcoming” i said meaning because of some game play changes i’ve made the chances of flanking a sniper will be alot higher =) especially on cp3.

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Byte

Yeah would be nice to see the canyon route getting used more, but you’re pretty much always at a disadvantage when using it (with the map being in its current form)