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since you’re new to the tf2 scene, let me just tell you: ac problems are not a minor issue like you seem to think. teams have dropped out of esl due to the buggy nature of aequitas.

that being said, if a GOOD ac came out then no-one will mind using it. this is difficult due to the frequent updates to tf2, where even the smallest one can require a patch to the ac. obviously if the update falls on scheduled tournament dates then it will screw that competition up.

we’ll just have to see how this new “aequitas 2.0” turns out, or until someone designs a good ac. then we’ll talk.

@Chris + your 2 posts in general.

Basically, the point I was making with the “not running anti cheat” was sort of a attempt to at least defend the aspect of it causing delays, (assuming this is what you were getting at).

What I meant by that was, if someone is completely struggling to get it running, then (due to everyone complaining about the “inconvenience” ) you could allow exceptions for say, that person, for that match, if they do something insanely “dodgey” for say, then it needs to be looked at in a “different way”, as it just happened that they couldn’t run anti cheat and then pulled some bullshit out there ass in the match.

(Sorry, I’m really struggling to explain things as I’m tired)

With your toilet analogy, I won’t bother replying, its two different matters between “scanning” a computer for anything that you could be using and having a nice look at you in the toilet D=

@Kuma

I understand that, and you are correct that I haven’t seen the massive issues which apparently come from updating though to my knowledge the current XAC is handling css update after css update fine, but this is a different game I understand.

I’m not trying to argue that anticheat is the end all of do all, and I really do understand your point, and I can’t really think of a way around the problems if there as serious as you describe unless as you say, a good anti cheat is coded specifically for this situation.

I’m not trying to scream anti cheat into peoples faces, I’m just saying my point on the subject and I apologize for coming off the wrong way.

(also Chris I accidentally misquoted you and edited the wrong bit of my post, therfor I may of accidentally sort of insulted you, I apologize if you did realize :) )

Quoted from octochris

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“different way” no doubt = AC team

so we’re round in a loop

Yes but the general idea I’m saying is in a one off match situation, say the player has ran the anti cheat fine before, then it just happens they can’t run it one match and “drop bombs” for say.

I know what you’re saying with the loop issue, but if it came to AC I accept that it would either be that or mercs etcetc, the only reason I suggested this is due to the general complaints about anti cheat, but I’ve sort of worded my responses wrong (as I’ve done above, as I really can’t explain my point out my head properly).

If I can think it through in my head properly before you respond I’ll edit this as I doubt you’ll get my point from the dribble I just typed.

edit:

The toilet analogy thing.

Well to me your in game screenshots aren’t really connectable to for say…you half naked on a toilet in terms of privacy issues if you see what I mean

Quoted from Jims

By comparing AC to a camera in your house and just the general way you’ve worded that, there’s no point me coming up with a response to such a point.

Its extreme, but it’s a totally valid comparison. Its also 1am.

I don’t understand how you can be involved in competitive gaming and NOT understand how a anti cheat can help

It can help, but as I said before, nobody in this community is smart enough to make a good anti-cheat system, nor is there enough money to pay someone to make one.

basing everything around a cheat council is bad, end of

Why? If you’d like a deep theological discussion on why power within a system is best distributed evenly between everyone involved as opposed to pooled to a top “elite” with no form of appeal, then you’re welcome to PM on IRC. But seriously, thats the best way to go about it with something like this. Someone has to be in-charge.

you’re basically arguing at anti cheat been pointless because it doesn’t stop everything and causes a few minor problem…,

BSOD’s and massive FPS drops (among other problems) are not “minor problems”.

other games have gone a lot longer than TF2 using anti cheat, for obvious reasons, I don’t see the difference other than the updates

Correlation != Causation
Other games have gone longer than TF2 because they’ve been out longer. TF2 has been active since release and 3 years later still is. Using some awful AC tool isn’t going to magically further the game (a game which I should add, you have personally been playing for less than 3 months).

If anti cheats were bad all the time and didn’t work out, they wouldn’t be in use.

ESL Aequitas has contributed to literally like, a number of bans that I can count on a single hand in the entire history of TF2 in ESL. On the other hand, there are div1 teams (and many others from all skill brackets) who have literally dropped out of ESL simply because of the problems it causes.

Quite frankly Jims, I’m sure you’re a perfectly nice but you (and Gimpfen) are posting absolute drivel about a subject that you have just absolutely no understanding of what-so-ever. Seriously, just leave it. You’re posting opinions, I’m posting facts that can be backed up by genuine objective proof if you really want to keep questioning what I’m saying.

this is so funny, Jims is obviously valuing his own opinion and Chris and Skyride are still trying to convince him he’s wrong. Why bother guys? Relax, you’ll live longer

(not helpful I know)

Keep workin on those bans and askin for feedback guys!

(better?)

it was a troll, don’t mad

EAC is very good, easy to use aswell :) http://www.easyanticheat.net/v2/index.php