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The difference being that this rule came prior to polls that asked the WHOLE community, not only the very top end. I would have no problem with medic-unlocks-only at all if the whole community would be asked for their opinion which would then lead to the league giving out a rule regarding this, but self-made rules for certain parts of the league only is stupid.

Where is the etf2l staff now? The etf2l staff isnt leading this league or this forum. So div1 is trying to lead themselves. Sounds pretty reasonable to me.

no I am serious, its not even about what I think
we could test different limits in different divisions while you guys in division 1 just keep it simple for now: you are safe from the shitstorm and we just test all the combinations

doesnt it make sense?

No it doesn’t, it sounds retarded.

why?
We all agree on why polls were not made for the new unlocks: polls are retarded and forums are not a democracy.
The new official rule states that every new thing is available, but players can find an agreement on what is limited and what not so basically every single match could have different rules… How about keeping it simple and directly forcing different rules for every single match?

If you think about the agreements, it doesn’t and it does sound retarded. Cus if you have to do that on the day of the match. One team is going to bitch, it always happens. And like you proposed to try different limits for every division…. You’re joking? thats plain stupid. All divisions in the league are suposed to play with the same rules. Period.

but that is a luxury we cannot afford since we do not belong to the division 1 master race so logic suggests that different rules are applied through all the league.
I thought, then, that we could at least make something constructive out of this ridiculous situation by trying different limitations so we might find out that some unlocks are cool and some others arent

and yes it is retarded as it sounds but the video posted above with the trumpetist and the donkey pretty much sums up whats going on at the admin-cave

The donkey rapes; xD.. but still, just drop it as it is right now.. Trying out different limits for different divs AINT happening. It would take to much work, and I guess since the update came out last night and weapons are a tad more balanced now, except for TDH direct damage, maybe they’ll allow it. Since that is what they said. Just give it some time and sit down

EDIT: Chicken > Donkey.

yay for vanilla!

Incidentally, I agree with div1. Lets not forget the furore that surrounded the choosing of DL1. Basically all the exact same arguments were used except s/TDH/demomen, and let’s call a spade a spade: div1 were right.

The difference being that this rule came prior to polls that asked the WHOLE community, not only the very top end. I would have no problem with medic-unlocks-only at all if the whole community would be asked for their opinion which would then lead to the league giving out a rule regarding this, but self-made rules for certain parts of the league only is stupid.

There is 10 teams in D1 and more than 330 in the whole of ETF2L. We make up less than 3% of all the teams in ETF2L and as such we have no influence on community-wide polls.

It is the D1 gameplay which tends to mould the way the game is played competitively however, partially because we have a set of ~60 players that play PCWs against similar level opponents 5 days/week and send a lot of feedback to league admins where possible, especially now that we actually have a head admin that actually likes competitive TF2.

It was D1 that helped to enforce demo limit 1 and D1 that first had a go with fixed maps. Both of those rules are better for TF2, only the QQbrigade would disagree with that. Why then is there such uproar that D1 wants to play without unlocks? It’s not like it has immediate ramifications on players outside of D1 either.

The answer I guess can be summed up by the image I linked on P7 of this thread.

edit: for everyone whining about D1 having their own rules, where were you when D1 alone had fixed maps?

It is the D1 gameplay which tends to mould the way the game is played competitively

Why then is there such uproar that D1 wants to play without unlocks? It’s not like it has immediate ramifications on players outside of D1 either.

It just doesn’t add up I’m afraid. Like it or not, what you guys at the top do matters a lot. It’s ‘your’ fault we’re all playing well too, remember.

There is 10 teams in D1 and more than 330 in the whole of ETF2L. We make up less than 3% of all the teams in ETF2L and as such we have no influence on community-wide polls.

There was a community-wide poll for dl1 and it won with 66% iirc? you can assume that 80% of these 66% are div1-dickriders, so yeah, div1 has a major influence on such polls (you said it yourself, div1 “invented” dl1)

About “fixed maps were in div1 first!!1”: Fixed maps don’t change the metagame. Banning unlocks does. Changing the metagame between 2 different divs is stupid.

Admin team made themselves perfectly clear when the season was announced: teams are free to agree to limit unlocks further. That applies to all teams, regardless of what division you are in.

I would only remind you that if you’re not 100% sure that the other team will stick to the agreement, make sure to record the agreement on the match page so the admin team can help settle disputes.

I’m sure there will be admin discussion this weekend about the changes made to the weapons last night.

Seems that etf2l staff has a lack of confidence in themselves. Its like fooling the whole etf2l community including yourself. First the 1 weapon limit of the unlocks. Why can we play with two soldiers with two normal rocket launchers, but 1 direct hit allowed. Why would 1 dh be fun and 2 dont? Nobody can answer that question. Same for buff banner and other unlocks. You are just unsure about the consequences, but with a 1 weapon limit you will at least reduce the impact. But it lacks any solid reasoning behind it. Everybody knows whats wrong with the unlocks, except for the etf2l staff. The only reason why not everyone is for unlock bans is that they exploit these bugs for their own advantage.

Same for the rule: “teams are free to agree to limit unlocks further”. That shows a lack of confidence. You want to make everyone happy because the etf2l staff cant decide for themselves if these unlocks are balanced or not. Just allow or not. If div1 players wants a ‘gentlemen rule’, thats up to their choice. But having a sort of ‘gentlemen rule’ when both teams agree in your official rules is fooling everyone. It is a sign that a lot of teams disagree with the rules and that you want to keep them happy with a stupid agreement.