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I’m not very fond of the ETF2L structure of scheduling games and result submissions. It’s caused admins and me a lot of problems this season. It also appears to be causing other teams and the same admins different problems.

I recently completed a season in wireplay. The scheduling and result submission was more user friendly, much easier and much quicker than ETF2L’s. It took half the time to complete, and when a problem arose it took half the time to solve. I think ETF2L could learn a lot from WPTF2L.

For those who don’t know about the WPTF2L system: You schedule a match in a similar way to ETF2L. However it’s easier to use because the calendar and fixture wall are on the same page, so you can see the dates proposed, dates booked and any messages left by the teams/admins. WPTF2L don’t have strict game weeks. The advantages and disadvantages of this are clear. Some advantages are simplicity and freedom. Some disadvantages are un-finished matches and delays. With regard to uploading the results, you input the result manually with no need for a status or scoreboard screen shot. The other team then authorises the score. All teams must record demos.

I’d be interested to hear from anyone else who participated in WPTF2L and their opinion. I’m basing mine on my personal experience.

I’d be interested to hear from admins:
• Could all/part of their system feasibly work in a bigger league?
• What advantages does complexity (ETF2L) have over simplicity? (WPTF2L)

Please don’t confuse this post with a request to copy the WPTF2L system. I do think some of their methods could be utilised by ETF2L for the good of us all. The direct result from this would be more time for players and more time for admins. This time can then be used to tackle other problems.

For the shedulling part maybe it could be a good idea for admins to think about. Never played in wptf2 but seems a good layout for schedule.

The part concerning no strict games weekend it’s a bad bad idea :) In french league until season 7 (Last season was 8) that system was in place and what happen : half games were played during the 2 months of the season, the other half was played during the bonus week given by admins :p

And the score ans status system is very nice :D

This is stuff I’m interested to hear. I personally have never looked at a status screen shot in my life. What are they for? Are they really necessary?

its just varification, if they find out someone is mercing under an identical tag for instance:

techtron is now named dignitas/Mick

and plays for dignitas then tis against the rules.

That’s a good example. I wouldn’t be able to tell the difference between techtron and Mick anyway. :D

Status screenshots are helpfull for admins and the end scores screenshots are nice for spectators :) its part of what makes etf2l that bit better than most leagues.
Having all the info on 1 page calendar etc, if that helps then do it.

But basically saying “you’ve got 3 months to play 8 games….. GO!” Defeats the point of a league really?

Theres no problem with the current situation its just CL’s and WA’s need to be more communicative and intelligent. We had problems this sunday but it was nothing to do with ETF2L its just our opponant suddenly realised that they couldnt play that day/time. Had they told us this sooner theres no problem.
People just leave a message on the wall saying “Wanna play tuesday” They check it 2 days later and then the other clan messages 3 days later, just add someone to steam sort it out that day, and your done, its hardly rocket science.

Or one way to sort out all this bitching is just say ETF2l will inforce all matches to be played on wednsday at 8CET. But then everyone would cry :p.

The reason ETF2L is special for me isn’t because of what I’m arguing about now, hence the reason I’m arguing about it.

I think I agree with the point about week deadlines. I believe WPTF2L had problems with teams not finishing on time. Freedom for teams to arrange when they like would probably not benefit the league as a whole.

Making other team leaders more intelligent and communicative is something we will never be able to accomplish. Discussing ways the make the league better is something we can do.

im not much for the week games, why not just schedule games indefinetly? then if certain matches arent played then..BLEH

forcing team to play with schedule und match deadline is good,
ofc it takes some freedom, but on the other side,
to much freedom can lead to not play at all, right DSCB? :P
if you have really problems, you have 2 wildcards and even 2 more “not played after deadline” minor warning,
so more or less you can play a whole month not without real punishment

wptf2l has an annoying site and I couldn’t handle the schedule for my team there,
I dont want to see the schedule of the other divs like wp did, I prefer the etf2l fixture overview http://etf2l.org/league/league-fixtures/9/
but yes it gave a lot of freedom, after my notebook crash and I couldnt play for 3,5 weeks in was nice to come back and play without punishment (making 4 wptf2l matches in 4 days, lol)