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Solving Cheating issues
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wow, guys. chill. here…
**puts 2 glasses of cool-aid on the table**
lets keep this constructive and stop being nit-picky about the methods/metaphors/imagery in which people use to convey ideas as its merely a way to enrich the communication of the concept than an actual idea within itself.
:>
carry on..
well, as long as its free of flame, everyone’s opinion is something usefull, and thats how topics to give feebacks should be.
I completly understand your pov, and im sure lots of ppl would admit to cheat to reduce the penalty to half of the time. But putting thing in a way that: league bans a player, means the league is sure that he cheats. So, if the league is sure, with the player admiting he is actually “helping” his teamates by saving them of forum’s wars
to be honest, the player should admit that without any penalty redution, but we both know that isnt going to happen
wow, guys. chill. here…
**puts 2 glasses of cool-aid on the table**
lets keep this constructive and stop being nit-picky about the methods/metaphors/imagery in which people use to convey ideas as its merely a way to enrich the communication of the concept than an actual idea within itself.
:>
carry on..
I certainly wasn’t angry and i hope neither was haunter. No offence intended to you and yours, i just needed to express something intricate regarding this idea, and unfortunately the idea had to come from someone and that someone was you :(
Debate the idea not the guy who came up with it!
Edit:
I completely agree with your above post, all sentiments of it. However, we should not allow innocent people to be mistreated just because it allays our consciences about guilty people.
There’s a saying that goes something like “I would rather allow 100 guilty people to walk free than imprison 1 innocent.”
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Maybe this time it’ll work because Haunter actually bothered to make a nice, detailed opening post instead of a shitload of flames about how shitty this league and it’s admins are…
I tried it the nice way by posting the reasons why current handling of cheaters is wrong, didn’t work. Why? Because half that thread was filled by trolls (like you right now).
Just hope JB can sort this shit out in the future.
the trolls that usually spam threads with offtopic?
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I certainly wasn’t angry and i hope neither was haunter. No offence intended to you and yours, i just needed to express something intricate regarding this idea, and unfortunately the idea had to come from someone and that someone was you :(
Debate the idea not the guy who came up with it!
Yup, I know what you mean. Just was getting the feeling some people were getting a bit exasperated was all. ;)
There’s a saying that goes something like “I would rather allow 100 guilty people to walk free than imprison 1 innocent.”
so true.
the trolls that usually spam threads with offtopic?
My post wasn’t offtopic, xtala went offtopic ;).
But admitting to cheats to get your ban reduced is a very bad idea. I would do it even if I was innocent, just to get it reduced. I’m sure many others would do the same. Or I just wouldn’t bother with tf2 anymore and go play Cod or something :X. But guess that would never happen cause I suck to much (but then again, so did Mads)
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the trolls that usually spam threads with offtopic?
But admitting to cheats to get your ban reduced is a very bad idea. I would do it even if I was innocent, just to get it reduced. I’m sure many others would do the same. Or I just wouldn’t bother with tf2 anymore and go play Cod or something :X. But guess that would never happen cause I suck to much (but then again, so did Mads)
Exactly, you’re already guilty in everyone’s eyes, claiming your true innocence and sitting out for 2 years will impress no one.
bottom line is this:
Any justice system based entirely on word without any proof is inherently flawed and doomed to failure.
the trolls that usually spam threads with offtopic?
My post wasn’t offtopic, xtala went offtopic ;).
But admitting to cheats to get your ban reduced is a very bad idea. I would do it even if I was innocent, just to get it reduced. I’m sure many others would do the same. Or I just wouldn’t bother with tf2 anymore and go play Cod or something :X. But guess that would never happen cause I suck to much (but then again, so did Mads)
see, now u are actually debating an idea, even if u are against it, its your opinion and its on topic, thats how things works!
the trolls that usually spam threads with offtopic?
My post wasn’t offtopic, xtala went offtopic ;).
But admitting to cheats to get your ban reduced is a very bad idea. I would do it even if I was innocent, just to get it reduced. I’m sure many others would do the same. Or I just wouldn’t bother with tf2 anymore and go play Cod or something :X. But guess that would never happen cause I suck to much (but then again, so did Mads)
see, now u are actually debating an idea, even if u are against it, its your opinion and its on topic, thats how things works!
Just saying everything you are saying already has been discussed countless times before. Same goes for what Skyride is saying. There will never be a perfect way.
Maybe let teams that get a game defaulted lose the points they earned, while their still opponents don’t get any points. If they want points they should rematch.
Maybe let teams that get a game defaulted lose the points they earned, while their still opponents don’t get any points. If they want points they should rematch.
thats actually interesting, would avoid the “no rematch so we can get points at all cost”
but still keep the rule where the losing team could allow the score to be as it was if they think the cheater didnt make the difference
bottom line is this:
Any justice system based entirely on word without any proof is inherently flawed and doomed to failure.
Correct.
Now, if we had a system which went like this:
-Accusation (no names)
-Reply (anonymous)
-Statement made about list of evidence gathered
-Plea – guilty or not guilty (anonymous again)
-If plea is innocent, analysis of evidence from an unbiased jury of your peers
(Up to this stage, of course, all parties would remain nameless to avoid bias)
-Judgement/sentencing
Then you’d be able to stick pleas into the pot. A plea of guilty is a cheater realising he’s got caught and admitting it before it got to the ‘jury panel’, he’d get one year. Innocent, you get your demos looked at and judged, either innocent or guilty (2 year ban).
You’d have to allow 6 people in on the “anti cheat” knowledge though. Which means that you’d probably have to elect 6 trusted people to sit on the jury for a set amount of time, their job would simply be to watch demos and decide. And i guess you trust they wouldn’t use anti cheat knowledge to their advantage just as you do with ana(l)kin(g)et al.
And of course if any names or info was leaked in the process, you immediately discard the case because the system is no longer unbiased. Possibly bring it up again at a later date, this time ensuring all info is kept anonymous, and no one would know it was the same one from before!
Hugely complicated, impractical and time consuming, but there it is, your anti cheat team which is fair and just.
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but still keep the rule where the losing team could allow the score to be as it was if they think the cheater didnt make the difference
Explain please.
but still keep the rule where the losing team could allow the score to be as it was if they think the cheater didnt make the difference
Explain please.
for example, team A used cheater, team B lost. There are some games that the cheater doesnt make any difference (eg. losing 5-0 both maps), so team B can just be fair and accept the result as it was. 6 points of the team that used the cheater and no re-match
they will never want that though, which is the unfortunate part of being unlucky with a cheater.
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