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Hi all most of people are not interested in our clan ban so can stop reading here and go ahead with their life.
I don’t want to make it long so here are the facts:
we have tons of proof that trullo and infedel are not they same person :) i’am gonna tell you more and sorry if i don’t care you won’t believe me that’s just how things are…they are brothers.I guess we all paid for that.
When i asked for some evidence of them being the same person that’s all i got…NOTHING (daykiller told me i can post the entire conversation here so i guess this is ok):

MIRC LOG CONVERSATION WITH DAYKILLER

CdC^Nyctal> are you here m8?
CdC^Nyctal> day i need to talk with you so plz answer me here in mirc or add me in FL in steam
dAy> hi, whats up?
CdC^Nyctal> hey
CdC^Nyctal> i’am the leader of smart move and i need to talk with you for the ban
dAy> go ahead
CdC^Nyctal> well basically i need to ask 2 things
CdC^Nyctal> the first one
CdC^Nyctal> why the team has been banned?as you may know there was already an attempt of it and i gave admins enough evidences trullo was now same person of infedel.now we are banned and i’am asking you some evidence
dAy> we dont give out our evidence, but its a 100% decision
dAy> trullo = infedel and you lied to us about it
CdC^Nyctal> well you may not give public evidence but i’am the CL and i’am in the right to ask and recieve evidence since you gave evidence in previous bans to CL’s
dAy> so you can try it again in the future? no
CdC^Nyctal> that’s a good excuse but doesn’t answer me.you can’t ban without even tell the clan leader why
dAy> because you said its not him but knew better
dAy> now after we got 100% evidence its the same person, we had to ban your team aswell for supporting him
CdC^Nyctal> allright but that’s the point
CdC^Nyctal> where is this 100% evidence
CdC^Nyctal> ?
dAy> im having it on my screen right now.
CdC^Nyctal> i’d like to have on mine too
dAy> i guess so you can tell him what mistake he did
CdC^Nyctal> nope m8 i’am just here to ask like in every tribunal on the earth to see the evidence that condamns me and my team
CdC^Nyctal> have i started some public flame?
CdC^Nyctal> no
dAy> did i say so? no
CdC^Nyctal> i just want to know what evidence you have
CdC^Nyctal> and i’am asking you privately here
dAy> ok, your team got banned due to supporting a cheater
dAy> evidence is here: http://etf2l.org/forum/user/7283/
dAy> read the team history
CdC^Nyctal> what should i read?
dAy> the team history
CdC^Nyctal> yes he left the clan and?
dAy> he was in until he got caught
CdC^Nyctal> caught by who?
dAy> by leagues
CdC^Nyctal> what legues?
dAy> esl and etf2l i suppose, hopefully all others aswell
CdC^Nyctal> uhm wait
CdC^Nyctal> esl? caught him?
dAy> yep
CdC^Nyctal> allright
CdC^Nyctal> then
CdC^Nyctal> you banned on etf2l why?
dAy> [Infedel] a.k.a. [Trullo]: permanent ban for creating new account to prevent a ban
CdC^Nyctal> sure
CdC^Nyctal> so what you sayin the you banned cuase esl banned?
dAy> no
dAy> i said he left the team after he got caught
CdC^Nyctal> m8 i can leave and join all the teams i want you know that right?
CdC^Nyctal> is that an evidence?
dAy> sure you can
CdC^Nyctal> then where is this evidence?
dAy> you asked for evidence why your team got banned
dAy> i told you
CdC^Nyctal> no you told me nothing m8
CdC^Nyctal> you told me my team8 was banned for leaving the team
CdC^Nyctal> that’s what you told me
dAy> you supported a cheater in your team
dAy> evidence is the team history of the cheater
dAy> who can be seen here: http://etf2l.org/forum/user/7283/
dAy> *which
CdC^Nyctal> i see he left the team
CdC^Nyctal> i don’t see anything else
dAy> ye he was in your team
CdC^Nyctal> people can’t be banned for lefting a team
dAy> so you supported him
CdC^Nyctal> supported who?
dAy> so your team gets banned aswell
CdC^Nyctal> day listen
CdC^Nyctal> i want to make this clear
CdC^Nyctal> i’am not here to make my team unbanned
CdC^Nyctal> that saud
CdC^Nyctal> said*
CdC^Nyctal> i just want a little evidence more than “he left so he is trullo”
dAy> we wont give you the evidence why we know trullo is infedel
dAy> cause that would mean he gets to know what he did wrong
dAy> and will do another attempt
dAy> with not giving out the evidence we will catch him next time again
CdC^Nyctal> you baiscally say:” we won’t give you any evidence of your crimins,we put you on jail, and you don’t know why so you can’t kill again”
CdC^Nyctal> what is this? 3000 a.c?
dAy> infedel doesnt need the cheat evidence. he knows he cheated
CdC^Nyctal> infedel NEVER cheated in his life
CdC^Nyctal> and if you know it is false you have to show me evidence of it
dAy> nah just believe what you want then, i can tell you there is 100% evidence for it.
dAy> it was a very clear issue for us
dAy> nothing to discuss
CdC^Nyctal> yeah as always happen in etf2l you decide and nobody knows why
CdC^Nyctal> but you know this time things are going little too much over and i’am goin to tell you why later
dAy> hm no, me personal is not deciding anything about cheat related issues
dAy> i dont have a clue about these things. we have experts for it
CdC^Nyctal> experts?
CdC^Nyctal> trullo posted a screen
CdC^Nyctal> with his radr on
CdC^Nyctal> not much the job of an expert
CdC^Nyctal> and he deserved the ban
CdC^Nyctal> and he was kicked as well
CdC^Nyctal> when i talked to admins they gave me the screen
CdC^Nyctal> they gave me the evidence
CdC^Nyctal> why can’t i have it now?
dAy> i told you twice already
CdC^Nyctal> leaving the clan is not an evbidence sorry
dAy> [18:12:45] we wont give you the evidence why we know trullo is infedel
dAy> [18:12:55] cause that would mean he gets to know what he did wrong
dAy> [18:12:59] and will do another attempt
dAy> [18:13:14] with not giving out the evidence we will catch him next time again
CdC^Nyctal> ah so you WON’t give ANY evidence of it?
CdC^Nyctal> well you don’t answer me so i’ll tell you what’s going on
CdC^Nyctal> unluckly infedel doesn’t speek english too good so i’ll talk at his place
CdC^Nyctal> we know that you don’t have any evidence
CdC^Nyctal> we know there was a double login on esl page
CdC^Nyctal> we know you banned him for this reason
CdC^Nyctal> now things you don’t know:
CdC^Nyctal> infedel and trullo are brothers (believe it or not)

CdC^Nyctal> ok then a very last question
CdC^Nyctal> publicing this on the forum to let people know what kind of people manage the legue will
risult in a permanent ban also for me right?
CdC^Nyctal> or do i have your permission?
CdC^Nyctal> so?
dAy> do what you want
CdC^Nyctal> allright thx
CdC^Nyctal> bb day thx for your time

guess what?they have no evidence at all as always happen here in etf2l where the basics of law and democracy are totally forgotten.
just like loggin with friend account (remember we are even talking about brothers lol) is an evidence lol i did it with many of my friends or my girlfriend account also when it was needed for some reason :)
well done that’s all i have to say.
i’d also like people to know that we also had an esl admin in our team that guaranteed they were not the same person and that they were brothers…but…well superadmins are more powerfull fuck yeah!
but let’s go on.we won’t play this league anymore but we don’t want this to be our end…and the end of all our effort to reach a decent level of gameplay here in tf2 so i’am going to make a question here since i don’t actually know other place to ask (italian forums are are happy now as one of the best ita clan got finally raped like this so…i’d avoid that)

1)what other leagues can we play?
2)what are the leagues that do not share bans whit etf2l/esl?

last but not the least thx to all clans we’ve played with, i hope you’ll recognize we did it good and fair with all of you :) bb all guys and i hope in some answer

(plz do not put this into a flame war i really don’t want to since i need to information also)

gl all in the future we are off…plz answer to my questions too if you can bb all guys.

p.s. sorry for my bad english…i’am looking@u waebi :P
p.s.s dunno what’s wrong with copy/paste from chatlog but niknames are fucked…but i guess you can understand that the same.sorry.

my eyes….

remove the < infront of your irc nick to make the names visible

LOLOLOL – not visibile in etf2l
dignitasagron> LOLOLOL – visible

etf2l: yes this forum is wack

[18:12:45] we wont give you the evidence why we know trullo is infedel
[18:12:55] cause that would mean he gets to know what he did wrong
[18:12:59] and will do another attempt
[18:13:14] with not giving out the evidence we will catch him next time again

so true

Jesus, nice formatting.

edit: woo fixed o/

dAy> [18:12:45] we wont give you the evidence why we know trullo is infedel
dAy> [18:12:55] cause that would mean he gets to know what he did wrong
dAy> [18:12:59] and will do another attempt
dAy> [18:13:14] with not giving out the evidence we will catch him next time

+1

“we know he did it because we have fingerprint evidence”

we know he did it because we have video evidence.

sad enough, they’re a good bunch of lads :/

@Nyctal: thought of asking you if you wanted a “proof-reader”, but it’s fine imo :))

Nyctal , just explain one thing..

233 days ago trullo leaves your clan (because of getting caught i suppose) and the same day this misterious brother of his registers in etf2l. Coincidence?