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Not really P32, people who know how to cheat will hardly be spotted, they’ll configure their aimbot to be as natural as possible. A lot of people in div1 wouldn’t see anything. They have experience with the game, not with cheats.

Anyway, I think the ban of those ETF2L cheaters will probably also come from a few others leagues after they see the evidence.

yes p32´s idear actually is good and will be concidered ofc.

Just to mention it, not every div1 player got an idear about that kind of stuff – many of em just play.

But if anyone with experience or knowledge about it wants to apply – go ahead, send us your application.

What is the difference between having 5 trusted players from the community looking at the demos but not allowed to share them, and having the admins look at it? iirc the admins are (almost) all trusted members of the community…

That said; +1 for letting the team see the demos under a draconian non-disclosure agreement. Like, they share them with anyone else and the entire team gets permabanned and no demos will ever be shown to anyone again.

I suppose most top players can spot basic things. But you need to have tried cheats to spot some specific things. Like half a year ago someone reported a cheater in a pickup. One of the tells was the he sometimes just stood still ducking for several seconds. The reason for that apparently was that to access the cheat-menu you had to hold Ctrl (or Shift) which is the same button that makes you duck. I had no idea about that before someone told me.

f2: isn’t the hack button f9?

lol F2 :p

Tbh I think that despite all the “some will say – HAX, others will say – NO HAX” the demos should be given out to the public…That thing about cheaters being able to correct themselves is a load of crap to be honest. If you’re cheating and you get caugh, no matter whether you know or not what tipped you off you change your methods, it’s as simple as that. The community can argue as much as they want, It’s part of the process, same things happens in court (although I know it’s a bit strange to compare both situation they both have the same basic principle), but anyway, there’s no harm in easing people’s minds rather than causing a flame fest over some stupid rule, which is what is happening right now.

There’s something the admins have to face here, you’re all humans and I’m not implying anything when I say that: You make mistakes. The more sophisticated the cheaters get with their ways of cheating the bigger the room for someone to make a mistake and wrongly label the guy as a cheater/non-cheater.

Just my 2 cents.

Since when is evidence against a cheater ‘sensitive’ material… It’s not like it’s his bank account details. It’s an online computer game! It’s not like it’s going to effect the families of those involved. Again, me posting that a player is getting banned is hardly sensitive material. It’s not like he can run away before it’s too late. The fact that you didn’t want me to write what I wrote only suggests that you wanted to make a giant post on Sunday listing all the cheaters you’ve caught in the week. This being disclosed a day early makes no difference apart from denying you of your glory thread at how awesome you all are at catching cheaters.

This worries me as if you wanted the glory, you are doing it for the wrong reasons and if anything, it would appear like you have set yourself a schedule to catch a cheater by Sunday which could mean the opinion could be clouded or a conclusion reached before evidence is sufficient. I’m not saying this is the case, it’s just part of my way of thinking.

Also, releasing demos isn’t going to help cheaters evade getting caught. If there is a STV running a cheater may as well asume it’s recording. If there is a spectator, they may as well asume the spectator is watching them.

As for my experience in catching cheaters, sure, I may not be as experienced as you, but what exactly…. is your experience with catching cheaters? Did you take a class on it? I constantly see cheating in publics, I have experience with high level of competitive gaming and I know realistic boundaries of what is capable play and what ‘assisted’ play looks like. Sure I’m not going to get every call right and I trust all of your guy’s opinions, but what is the harm in cementing that trust by prooving to us that you have made a correct call.

So far the only arguments I’ve seen is that by showing us a demo, cheaters will be more aware of your techniques in catching them. Even if this were remotely true, who cares, it might even deter people from cheating in the first place. We aren’t even asking you to highlight the specific ticks in a demo that lead you to beleive that he is wallhacking (that would be your techniques). The community can judge for themselves but if enough people said hey… all of these can be explained, or I saw nothing dodgey, that might be the time to start explaining examples. All we need is the game/games you’ve based your opinions/evidence on.

Other than that, all I see is a general level of stubborness that says ‘We are right, we don’t need to proove ourselves to you’.