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Quoted from Koeitje

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If he’s talking about mid fights he’s right. After that it’s just easy escapes for soldiers who can’t position themselves.

so sollies having more buff on mid makes no difference?

i think this neeeds a little refresher on this: http://etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-7786/page-1/

ok, you read it? right, you can continue now. kthnxbi

prem players just use not wanting to play anything but vanilla as an excuse because they’re bored of the game but cant move on so they feel the need to try to replicate the game as it once was when they were having fun

Quoted from Koeitje

The new top would be terrible then. You can stick a flag into a turd, but it will still remain a turd. Do you REALLY think the current top tier teams wouldn’t be top tier with all unlocks allowed?

That has to be the worst metaphor I have ever heard

If its not constructive or helpful to the debate, or you have no purpose other than to troll any and all posts you see. Then do everybody a favour and refrain from posting.

Remember the whole purpose of medlocks/vanilla/unlocks debate is that it divides the community in some way or another. I for one don’t want to divide a small community. This community used to pride itself on being constructively helpful, understanding and not trolling. To be honest the trolling and flaming is causing more damage to this community than anything else, even the prem teams leaving because of the unlocks.

if you don’t have anything nice to say…

I dont really care unlockwise but I wish all leagues would keep the same unlock rules, for a medic having to switch between rollouts because of different league unlock rules is annoying, especially since I only started playing med after the equalizer was introduced :s

All of you refer to some unnamed prem players saying this and that. Yet I am probably the first one to post on this thread. So here goes; We simply pushed vanilla rule because I had crafted all my stuff… There you go, I would love to play with direct hit, gunboats, equalizer soldier. But the damn hats are just too tempting that I cant see cinnamon ever bringing all the premier level teams to ETF2L.

As these arguments are done for in the prem level, I dont understand why do you still keep this useless debate alive. This will not go anywhere since ESL has given an option to play there for the good people who prefer the lovely vanilla. Unlocks 2stronk anyway, 2tactik..

Loads of people talking about growth of TF2 as an E-sport. But What does SC2 have that we don’t? loads of viewers. 90% of those viewers are casual players, or not even players at all. (I’m guilty) This proves the people who think the oppinion of higher division players weigh more wrong.
For example: F1 has restrictions on turbo’s. If you remove it: Cars will go faster, getting the pole position becomes more important and Ferari & Mercedes will be able to abuse their money and win every race. But during the race overtaking is next to impossible. AKA boring as hell. So to please the spectators (the ones who make burning rubber and gas a sport) there is a restriction on turbo’s and spoilers etc. To give worse teams a fighting chance. To keep it entertaining.

So for TF2 to grow as an E-sport: We need to give casual viewers what they want. Quick guess: Epic killstreaks, Epic airshots, Epic whipes, Epic crit stickies, Epic sticky traps, Epic deflects. Not great tactics, they’r to dumb to see that.

I’m not saying I like cinnamon. But If you want TF2 to be a genuine E-sport, thats the direction you should be heading.

Ps: nitpickers, yes my analogy is about restrictions. And no I don’t think thats what viewers want to see in TF2.