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Quoted from Tikcus

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The only thing I will add is that, if competitive TF2 moves too far away from the public experience (where 99% of the player base starts) it will die a lot faster

I hear this being said a lot, but in my own experience, more pub players are turning to comp because they are sick of dealing with the increasing number of ridiculous unlocks.

Quoted from Sketch

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this. Every division should have identical weight to every other division. and not just a prefixed multiplier.

I still think prem should have 1.43% +1 though.

Personally I think that would be the most illogical (even a word?) way to do it. I just don’t see any kind of reason that d6 should have 1/7th of the votes, or that d4 should have 1/7th of the votes (followed by the rest of the divs..), it is a very arbitrary way of drawing the lines, whilst trying to motivate the decision. Only reason I presented that was that someone mentioned it earlier.

I think I would prefer a weighted system, though more top heavy than the one Canfo suggested – or better yet make the top players decide.

Tickus, just stop posting already. Your mentality is too similar to that of a pubber.
The votes shouldn’t be equal for each division. I don’t think a div6 player has the same knowledge of the game as a div 2/1 player. It’s like saying that people with mental disabilities should be allowed to vote presidents because everyone is human and therefore equal.

Quoted from CanFo

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Any ideas who should be a representative and how they should be picked? Will add that to my first post then.

As I suggested first make an announcement so people could actually apply for it. I can not really thing about the way how to promote new persons to be “popular” since there are basically only 2 sides, and some people already has an image of themselves.

Also the lack of players that are interested in participation of picking representatives might make votes useless, so the only way I would see it is that one of current admins would pick out the best from volunteers.

This should actually lead to bigger interest from both heavy vanilla lovers and haters, and if it won’t happen, then means one of those sides are not that interested as other and well that means they care less about the legue and changes.

Just a quick idea that needs to be improved.

Quoted from dauk

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As I suggested first make an announcement so people could actually apply for it. I can not really thing about the way how to promote new persons to be “popular” since there are basically only 2 sides, and some people already has an image of themselves.

Also the lack of players that are interested in participation of picking representatives might make votes useless, so the only way I would see it is that one of current admins would pick out the best from volunteers.

This should actually lead to bigger interest from both heavy vanilla lovers and haters, and if it won’t happen, then means one of those sides are not that interested as other and well that means they care less about the legue and changes.

Just a quick idea that needs to be improved.

A “council” is a bad idea for this reason, no decisions will ever be made.

Quoted from kuma

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I hear this being said a lot, but in my own experience, more pub players are turning to comp because they are sick of dealing with the increasing number of ridiculous unlocks.

Quoted from Tikcus

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who???? And if that was the case, a vote with no weighting would yield a result of V+M, as all the div 6 shit-nerds would vote for no unlocks

I remember there was only one team from Lithuanian community in season 5, just because nobody introduced them to competitive play. After I got a bit used to play competitive I began to write articles on main Lithuanian tf2 page, such as frag movies, top division games with stv info, how to join old mpuktf2pickup and so on. And from season 6 to 9 team number grew from 1 to (9 I believe), and it was only pure Lithuanian teams, there are a lot of players that play in foreign teams.

The idea is that top players that belong to some communities should encourage and provide information and give tips to newcomers. Highlander cup was a perfect example as you can see most of highlander teams are now playing etf2l.

So yeah promote competitive plays in communities.

scrap all polls. just ask div 1 and prem.

After all if we actually listened to the community we would be playing with 2 demomen! and you know how absurdly dumb that would be.

Besides vanilla brings skill back: Spy is harder to remain undetected, Pyro is not (as) retarded. Heavy doesn’t have that bloody sandwich, Solly will require skill in your positioning, meds and soldiers have to work together better to maintain a solid rollout. Scouts cant get by on spamming bonk. and snipers cant throw a jar of wee wee at you :D

Quoted from Tikcus

you can not ignore the opinions of 50% of the user-base

Yes you can when they are not educated enough to form a well reasoned opinion. If I went out and took a pool of 1000 random people on whether global warming was happening and whether nuclear power was a good idea, I’m sure you’d find a fairly sizeable chunk of people who didn’t “believe” in global warming, and thought that nuclear power is a bad idea because “look at japan and chernobyl”, entirely ignoring literally piles of evidence proving global warming and the fact that Chernobyl was a one off accident due to people not following safety procedure, and that orders of magnitude more enviromental damage has been done by burning oil refineries in Japan, than is remotely likely to be caused by Fukushima at this point.