Forum

Relax

We won’t keep people banned if we think they are innocent or when procedure mistakes were made. And I won’t (forum)ban people who disagree with me or want to speak out. Neusbeer was pretty much spot on with is post. People aren’t banned because someone likes it or because they are good. So in that aspect the OP doesn’t hit the right snare. Hackers can look natural and someone with high-sens can look very dodgy (which is why releasing demos might not be the smartest thing, there will always be people who see nothing and people who think it shows hacks, other then that I have no problem with it).
As Neusbeer said, the AC staff changed and changes quite a lot since it´s first iteration. While that certainly has an effect on the communication between the members their actual skill in AC is still there for most of them. On the other hand we (and in the past d2m) have added some procedures (although we always have wanted to work to add more) that should act as a basis for a ban as well as control on the system, definitely an improvement that helps. As for d2m’s post, he did mention the issue to me before and I am looking into it. If it turns out the procedure to decide if a ban should be made from the evidence at hand, was not followed fully (by me), there’s no pride or stubbornness from me that would stop me from rectifying something.

Also, AC-programs are generally not a good idea, they only ban a select few hacks and are annoying for the honest part of the community. VAC is the least worst option but people clearly didn’t want it.

Quoted from howdeh

[…]

Obviously the system in place is completely inappropriate for this league because even people within the AC team are disagreeing with the points made and the bans given, its not professional and its certainly not something a sponsor would be impressed by.

d2m is not an active ac member, I do like to keep people around so they can speak out from an outsiders perspective if they feel something goes wrong. And if sponsors would care about anything they would care about the total lack of interest in other leagues like ESH/ESL and the community mainly showing interest in rage (whether it be on cadred, vanilla or etf2l).

Quoted from WARHURYEAH

most have nothing to hide and it’s just some players getting butthurt or have no fucking clue (Hi Binge + Konr, these guys will be believe anything if u let them lick ur anus)

who the fuck are you ? :D

WAR, I agree to some extent, however, there are 2 things I’d like you (and everyone else) to think about.

1. There already is a rule regarding the recording of demos, we have to record them and that’s a good thing. However, seeing that it really is something that can be done easily, punishment for non-recorded demos should be handed out pretty harshly, as I could probably hack my socks off in a game and then say “oh I have no demo, sorry”.

2. If the AC team had wanted more demos, then err… yes, what difference would it have made, seeing that they apparently concluded he hax’d based on 1 demo alone? None, I think.

Quoted from RaCio

d2m is not an active ac member, I do like to keep people around so they can speak out from an outsiders perspective if they feel something goes wrong. And if sponsors would care about anything they would care about the total lack of interest in other leagues like ESH/ESL and the community mainly showing interest in rage (whether it be on cadred, vanilla or etf2l).

Active or not, D2M has had previous experience working with the ETF2L AC team and experience before that, so obviously something has gone wrong. Lets be fair, it doesn’t really matter what his position is, if you can find people who honestly reviewed that demo and felt that the ban was unjust, then there simply isn’t enough evidence. Obviously more people would have had to have felt the same, but its not like D2M’s points aren’t valid because hes not part of the AC team anymore.

I personally couldn’t spot a cheater for shit when reviewing a demo unless it was completely obvious, but there are people out there who can, and I believe D2M is one of those people as he was once an AC admin and still holds the trust of ETF2L.

IMO, every1 should upload their POV demos. Not just record. UPLOAD.

why not just an stv of every game and remove them after a month ?

Quoted from randa

[…]

Im not sure if its the same for tf2 but with 1.6 you could tell more obviously that someone was cheating with a pov than hltv.

stv records 15fps
pov – 40-66fps

gg

the only difference there is to find blatant aimbots… its not rly that helpful in tf2 since aimbots at this point have improved too much