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Stability is overrated. If you play in a bad clan, want to become better and have no hope of getting better games, you should leave the team / fold. Sure, there’s people who don’t even try to get along with others, but that’s just a personal issue, not a league issue.

Quoted from skeej

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Hmm… Why would that be? Oh right, cause there are more players in the lower divs!!! (also, more players that don’t directly play to WIN, so they care more about having fun with a team than performance etc etc… so many arguments are connected to this)

You can recruit people from lower divs, but the truth is that players who will directly fit in are very rare. In my team for instance, I recruited a div6 scout. He had the aim, and the ability to pick up things quickly, but he didn’t even realise the dedication needed to keep playing at a certain level, so after a while he couldn’t be arsed anymore, and left us to become a rape-allround-backup player for a div6 team.

Oh, wait, that’s exactly what you guys didn’t want, right? Recruiting players from lower divs is yet another liability.

None of that suggests or proves that lower divs can not possibly include players that could potentially fit in your team or sit on your roster as backup in case your core players evaporate from the game.

Point being, there are plenty of players on ETF2L. If you have to finish the season with players you’re definitely going to lose your games with, well, at least you’re finishing the season.

Quoted from rtan

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+1

You know all about folding teams eh r7an :D?

Quoted from Spike Himself

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None of that suggests or proves that lower divs can not possibly include players that could potentially fit in your team or sit on your roster as backup in case your core players evaporate from the game.

I didn’t say it was impossible, I just said that those kind of players are rare. It’s all about risk management. More of this @ “seemingly warped skill” thread.

Quoted from Spike Himself

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It can still filter out a bunch of cases.

But not all of them, and you wouldn’t solve the problem.

Quoted from Spike Himself

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Maybe you missed my point.
Should TF2 be 3v3 because there aren’t enough people to form 10 premiership teams? There are always divs below your own you can recruit people from.

And recruiting below your Div means you’re gonna lose a LOT of points most of the time. In the lower Divs people play for fun first and winning 2nd or 3rd, which means that isn’t a problem. In the higher Divs people play for fun and winning first, making that a big problem.

Quoted from Tikcus

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You will never stop teams folding, but you have to explore ways to minimise the folding.

At the very top teams folding is not a big issue only 10% of teams in the top 3 divisions folded (premier – div 1 and div 2)

but from div 3 down it is a much bigger problem, and there is less of an argument of not enough players for recruitment as well.

You have ruled out punishment, so let us discuss rewarding stability, and improving stability in the league

Only percentage-wise is it a minor issue. With the far smaller pool of available and capable players available it’s a pretty big issue. In the lower Divs, where the vast majority of comp players resides, it’s the lesser issue since there’s plenty of candidates around to recruit.

It’s funny that this is exactly the same discussion as the last time. And I’m willing to wager that this same discussion will be had after S9 is over.

If you have to finish the season with players you’re definitely going to lose your games with, well, at least you’re finishing the season.

And you’ll also completely destroy any sense of fun. If you are 100% sure you are going to lose, do you think you’ll be able to convince your team to play?

Quoted from Spike Himself

Point being, there are plenty of players on ETF2L. If you have to finish the season with players you’re definitely going to lose your games with, well, at least you’re finishing the season.

Seppuku.