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let’s remove the bomb from css, because that is the point of the game.
We need to fix the scope in cod4 because it must be op because it’s limited to one.

i like demo cos i can right click, and get ez kills. so plz dont nerf it

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+1 to remove the bomb from css. It’s overpowered I tell you!

Arnold,

I see your point. The problem people seem to have with the demo is both traps and using stickies like a rocket launcher.

If you nerf the demo so much we go back to dl 2 that creates it’s own problems. Remember the original tcm tactics on badlands with byte and topgear as demos. Even reduced amounts of stickies and a reduced damage count would still mean camping.

I basically agree with your premise on the class standings though.

Decreasing damage of weapons makes the game only grandfather friendly -.-

Damgage of Skatter, Shotgun and Rocket Launcher should be not changed. I do not like getting one-shotted but 4 shots on a heavy as scout or 3 for a 200 hp soldier is ugly….

Roaming heavy will get so effective …. nvm ….

Letz see what americans are doing oh wow they play the game how it is; without unlocks till end of the season, sounds cool rly.

Letz see what americans are doing oh wow they play the game how it is; without unlocks till end of the season, sounds cool rly.

Americans are actually using new unlocks (like the huntsman and dead ringer) from time to time instead of trying to get them banned.

Yes because huntsman and dead ringer are the really controversial weapons in this dead.

I thought he Demoman was limited to 1 because of the Stickybomb Launcher’s ability to hold chokepoints. Basically no matter how much you tweak that weapon (with in reason), two Demoman will be able to hold two chokepoints.

So in terms of 6v6 DL1 can you really expect to balance the Demoman to be on a level with other classes? Even though the Demoman is capable of dealing massive amounts of damage, few players seem capable of reaching these max damage levels.
The number of top Demoman pales in comparison to the number of top Scouts or Soldiers, partly because of the classlimits we have imposed but also because it is a more difficult class to play! The Stickybomb Launcher has notable delays in firing (charging), detonating and reloading. So whilst initial DPS is potentially high the Demoman is often quit vulnerable, which is why the best Demomen are those who think ahead and anticipate.

We shouldn’t forget that the Demoman is one of the few reasons why Uber advantage isn’t all conquering. His ability to slow down the attackers and induce the early Uber are big factor in stopping every round from being decided on middle. Although as Arnold points out this is part of the inherent imbalance of the Medic(Uber) and Demoman classes; the unstoppable force vs the immovable object :D

Undeniably, as Fragga and Haunter say, reducing the Demoman’s power would speed the game up and reduce the potential for stand-off situations; it would just be straight Uber advantage wins. How can you seek to balance the Demoman’s ability to deal damage without drastically rebalancing TF2 as a whole? Which was perhaps where atreides was coming from? Do I have a point? Probably not.