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infusion wins imo

We have a total of 127 VAC Banned accounts registered to ETF2L. If you have a vac banned account and don’t contact the ac section in the next two weeks, the ban will be applied in the league.

If you have a ban, please contact. joske did that, but he had banned. so how about this: [Link]. Will Glufse have a chance to explain the situation, or just like joske, get a ban & bybye? If he’ll has, it’s just a vendetta dear admin team…

Joske can’t join TF2 secure servers with his banned accounts. Glufse can AFAIK. But if Glufse doesn’t contact the AC Staff, he’ll get banned like anyone else, and he’ll be then unbanned if he contact us and show that he can join TF2 secure servers.

About Joske I am a bit divided in my opinion.
I don’t understand why so many people so eagerly want someone back who has clearly cheated in other games and who repetedly insult people and behaves like a ****(according to what i have heard).
On the other hand I kind of agree that those old cheats should not be relevant for this league.

I was told this a dozen times before monster munch originally formed and i was told that i would hate josh and he was a raging twat. Without making him feel nice about himself (because i’m a horrible person and no one should feel nice), i’ve never once heard him rage, insult or swear someone out. I’ve never seen him act like a dick since the first day he joined monster munch and i talk to the little bastard all the time.

A lot of people are in the same boat i was – convinced he’s a dick, but actually have no experience of him. I’m glad to see people sticking up for him. At the end of the day, the guy has never cheated in tf2, and if a few vindictive people are allowed to bend the rules of their own system just to keep him out, they’ll be starving tf2 of another much needed high quality demoman.

talked to him yesterday, was nice

LOL, that discussion was held a LOOOOOONG time ago and back then you decided to say “it’s fine to have cheated some years ago”.

i yet fail to see the major difference between 10months and 5 or 6 years

Actually, a person can mature a hell of alot in 5-6 years (even 2 years and over), yet it’s unlikely they’ll have matured in 10 months. I personally have used cheats when I was like 12-13 when I used to go on CS servers and troll people. Would I have done that 10 months ago tho? Hell no.

LOL, that discussion was held a LOOOOOONG time ago and back then you decided to say “it’s fine to have cheated some years ago”.

i yet fail to see the major difference between 10months and 5 or 6 years

Actually, a person can mature a hell of alot in 5-6 years (even 2 years and over), yet it’s unlikely they’ll have matured in 10 months. I personally have used cheats when I was like 12-13 when I used to go on CS servers and troll people. Would I have done that 10 months ago tho? Hell no.

Exactly.

Who the hell are either of you (or anyone else) to decide how quickly someone can mature? And what has that even got to do with it?

Age is just a number. But if you insist on talking about “not persecuting someone for misdemeanors conducted when they were young” then why the fuck are you talking about permanently/effectively permanently banning someone for cheating when they were, what, 16?

He’s had a year ban, he’s waited it out. Now you’re gonna give him a perm ban. Not only is that ludicrous in itself (to give him ANY further ban), but it’s ludicrous that you’ve waited and waited until this particular moment to say “right, perm banned.”

For people who still don’t get it (almost everybody in this thread):

1) Joske is not yet banned

2) Joske punishment has to do with the new ban policy, and nothing else http://etf2l.org/2009/10/25/anti-cheat-section-bans-more/ He’ll receive the same punishment as anyone else, why would he be an exception?