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Hey everyone,

So after the recent controversy surrounding the banning of the DR for Season 11, I was wondering if we could all have a discussion surrounding the unlock and the impact that banning it will have on the HL metagame, as well as Spy play in general.

I personally think banning it is a positive thing since the unlock was extremely disruptive and unfun to play against amongst other reasons, but I wish to keep the OP short and concise so I’ll reserve other points until further on in the discussion, and I’d love to hear what other players have to say across all divisions; reasons for banning it as well as allowing it.

I know it’s a bit early to draw conclusions on the ban since the season isn’t underway yet, but I’d love to get some early remarks from the player base :)

Discuss away!

It’s a dumb decision that’s pretty obviously come about because one player is really good with it.

I do think the DR is a little strong right now. It probably doesn’t need the speed boost and the damage reduction and the increased cloak regen and the built in spy-cicle, but it definitely doesn’t need a ban. Was everyone concerned that the current meta wasn’t sniper-oriented enough?

i agree with the ban. for a spy to counter the sniper dead ringer is not necessary. if a spy wants to sit behind enemy lines and harrass the sniper he can still do that while using the invis watch. the difference now will be that it will require some skill to get behind and stay alive instead of just relying on an unlock which makes u take no damage and run as fast as a scout. also i think the cooldown is too short. if u pickup a medium ammo pack the cooldown is almost refreshed…

We’ll live and there is valid reasons for both sides…

But I still fail to see what’s there to gain from this for the meta.

You’ll just have more passive spies sitting behind you who’ll just be harder to find rather than harder to kill

Teams will no longer have to worry about what the spy is running, it’ll always be invis. Look forward to even more spychecking.

No DR means spy has less impact on direct flank fights. If you can’t take the flank on koth or 5cp, your combo will struggle more with pushing.

Less flank pressure means a more dominant sniper on koth maps.

ergo more sniper dominance, nay

Quoted from Burn

Banning the DR only drives the league further away from the actual game. If we’re to get more signups for highlander seasons, this is the wrong way. Even though it’s strong and annoying, it’s not broken like bazaar bargain or vita-saw. If a weapon makes a class easier to play/master, it’s not broken. The reasoning behind banning weapons should not be to make the game better or more comfortable for the top skill level players only, but to make it better for the whole league.

We didn’t ban beggars either :P

Pretty much

If razorback is banned DR should be banned.

Though I’ve always been vocally against razorbacks banning.

Quoted from Toast

[…]You have no idea of how the class works, and that you have had any involvment in deciding for this season makes me want to stab myself.

Only stab Toast has ever gone for, amirite?

Quoted from extrasolar

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Skill isn’t exclusive to DR, it’s mostly in the gun. I can see where you’re coming from but the entire playstyle is enabled by the DR itself

It’s mostly in the gun.

The entire playstyle is enabled by the DR.

Pick one.

Quoted from extrasolar

[…]Fact is if a league doesn’t ban it, it will not get nerfed.

The degreaser. The black box. The sticky launcher. The righteous bison. The entire heavy class. That’s off the top of my head, but I’m sure there are more.