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Quoted from shdwpuppet

I think we need to take a look at each unlock individually and make decisions, not in broad sweeping strokes, but logically with each reasonable unlock being considered. We need to consider things like balance and “fun” but also spectator value and other important factors.

Agreed. Need to make game more “colorful”.

Though there should be only 9 updates in total, not counting bugfix updates ofc. Otherwise these fucking weekly updates are killing tf2 and I’m seeing even pubers asking each other why the hell they don’t fuck off with their updates..

Quoted from tf2streetz

you guys forgot this already? http://etf2l.org/etf2l/archives/71/1/

I don’t understand how there can be any argument for unlocks when this happened last time we had a cinnamon ruleset.

That wasn’t the point I was making at all, and you didn’t even make a point yourself there Spike.

The last time we had unlocks, the whole top tier crumbled and boycotted the league. It would be ridiculous to move backwards to that again.

Quoted from Spike Himself

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That was coming from a ruleset with loads of weapons to a compromise between that and vanilla, ie a big step forward going by what happened before it and what happened to get there.

Then everyone cried and ran to their mommies like little children who just got their candy stolen by the bully at school.

If you want to promote the argument that “prem is always right” perhaps link to something slightly less embarrassing? :D

Choose 1

Admins make bad decisions, incorrectly read community attitude at that time etc
Community is upset and decides not to play in a league they wont enjoy (read: sign up choice)
Admins read the mood and make a decision that benefits the community league

OR

Switch to cinnamon unlock system is a logical decision supported by the entire community and the admin panel comply with the masses
“(A few prem players) cried and ran to their mommies like little children who just got their candy stolen by the bully at school”
Admins are forced away from the greater good by the terrorism of a few players ruining the league for everybody

As much as I like you Spike, im glad your opinions no longer represent those of the admin panel, as that sentence in particular spits on the evolution of our community and lists an incorrect order of events. I dont think any player ‘cried’ or even made that much fuss about it; they just refused to play in a league they had a choice to join. Expecting them to play in a ruleset that rapes the game they enjoy is ludicrous, and etf2l got the audience it chose.

Quoted from CrashSite

I just want to add one thing, I still don’t have quite a few unlocks… at this point the drops really don’t make up for the amount of weapons there are and I have less than zero interest in trading.

I think I got the stuff I would need, ie gunboats + Equalizer, but for example I have no idea how long it will take me to get the new RL…

Damn crash, is there a game you /dont/ feed in?

Honestly, this isn’t that big of an issue (though is getting bigger the more they update) since the prospect of allowing all the items isn’t there, I think that the only unlocks being seriously considered are gunboats/escape and maybe a few other, mostly aging, items.

Quoted from Setlet

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May I ask if you have ever actually played in Vanilla ruleset? I just find it more enjoyable, after playing 3 seasons using unlocks. I don’t think it’s rocket science to like or not to like it. I think the majority here in ETF2L like the vanilla ruleset and thus it’s the current ruleset in ETF2L.

I don’t think these useless arguments solve anything or change people’s opinions. Although I admit that new teams have never had the chance to play in Cinnamon (unlocks) ruleset, but I don’t see how they could test them in action to make out their opinion.

Yes. I have actually played in a few competitions in Australia where we had a near vanilla ruleset. Most people were “fine” with it, but there was that spark missing that all the current unlocks allowed. That’s what it boils down to really (well, that AND the different strategies and such involved with said unlocks).

Quoted from Monkeh

Yuki, of course I read it all, after watching some awesome tennis, unlucky Nadal, you got served…ermm, yeah, and I ALWAYS have an open mind.

I fear your medic-centric assessment of mine own assessment, might just be painfully close to the truth.

As mentioned in the post above your mighty tome, I also fear my open, but also feeble and fickle mind, may be wobbling under the deluge of current posting activity.

Did I hear confirmation of almost definite fold of epsi and infs after i46? Does this mean, technically and in all respects that matter, the ACTUAL top-tier of EU TF2 shall no longer exist, should this be true, (very sorry for any embarrassment should it not), then they can’t rage quit the league and it can all be rebuilt with considered, careful and quality unlock decisions?

Gogo some kind of panel with top players to div 6 to retired to casters and programmers and spectators galore…see if we can’t reverse the EU decline where other scenes appear to be living a reverse situation.

Mebbe….dunno.

Edit: Oh yeah, and bollox to quitting if stuff changes, freakin enjoy TF2 too 2 twoo much for that emo shit.

I thank you for actually going through all my posts in response to yours. I don’t want to come off like a complete asshole or anything – it’s just my wording of some of my sentences can be poor at times (mostly attributing to the whole posting wall of texts at 6am deal).

It’s a shame to hear that a lot of the top teams may possibly disband after i46, and that, by the sounds of things, they “need” to die for the game to change :/.

It’s good to see that even if unlocks WERE changed, you love the game too much for it to make you want to quit – ALL PLAYERS SHOULD HAVE THIS ATTITUDE AND BE OPEN TO CHANGE!!

Quoted from Spike Himself

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If only that was what happened; instead, everyone DID sign up, and only then realised their candy was gone.

What? Most of the top teams didn’t even sign up in the first place.