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Played in both leagues, must admit I enjoyed playing vanilla format in esl and liked the no merc rule, the amount of times weve been screwed over in etf2l since weve been too nice aloud a merc who then carrys them to victory.

Wire proved a big problem to the people with shit pcs in our team, yet personaly i noticed no diffrence.

ETF2L all you need to do is record a demo which isnt asking much of anyone, less teams dropped so more matchs, only downside a few to many unlocks for my liking pain train, southern comfort (or whatever that dam engie guns called) etc

My old team dropped from etf2l cuz many of us we’re upset by the mappool and cinnamon ruleset. Didn’t really like 225 hp sniper on warmfront (hi Flippy!).

Dropped from ESL because we ended up folding few weeks after the etf2l drop due to inactivity. I went on to backup another finnish team in ESL but found wire extremely frustrating – ended up getting 6 penalty points for my computer crashing since wire didn’t have some logout files.. I offered to send them crashdumps etc to assure that the files we’re not missing on purpose but they we’re paranoid enough to actually think I’d alter the crashdumps or something. Guess it’s happened before.

Great thread Monkeh!

SdX Gaming played both leagues and didn’t drop, but there’s things i like to point out anyway.

TF2 had a weak period this spring and i think the big number dropped teams also depended on that.

ESL,

I know that Wire is there for a good cause, to catch cheaters, and personally i have never had any problems with Wire, but my team mates have. At least two of them are lagging so much it’s impossible for them to play. And if you want to play with your mates but can’t because of Wire you drop ESL, we didn’t but i can understand that teams do.

About the site, it’s not the most easy one, that’s for sure, and it wouldn’t hurt if it was upgraded, but come on guys we are humans, we have great brains – use them :)

About the league, sometimes things are just to much. You can’t use mercs, if you want to move a match outside the default week you have to start a protest so you can use a wild card, and if there’s a problem, even the smallest one, you also have to start a protest. These things are not a reason to drop, personally, but i can understand that others are raging (especially if they are lazy and having difficulty with the site).

The map pool was very good, it’s ok having one new map.

The only TF2 admin i have had contact with is Anakin and he’s a great person/admin.

ETF2L,

The fight, that occurred after the season 9 rules were realeased and resulted in that a big number of top teams didn’t competed, were very bad for ETF2L and TF2 imo. I can see that some teams lost intrest in ETF2L and TF2 because of that and dropped. I’ve played in ETF2L since season 2 and this season was the most uninteresting, even though the final was a bless.

I love ETF2L, so even though i personally prefer vanilla + med i stayed, but i believe it’s very importent that all the big leagues and LAN events works together and comes up with a collective rule set, vanilla or whatever.

The map pool wasn’t ok imo, please just one new map next time (if we really need more maps?)

The ETF2L admins that i’ve contacted are all great, keep it up :)

Finished both leagues, though I was tempted to drop from ESL because of wire and the horrible horrible website which is impossible to navigate through. Stayed in it because of unlock rules, good admins and good mappool.

I found my way around the ESL website when i first started playing gaming back with SWBF2 when i was like 14, it takes a bit of getting used to but yeah i also don’t like where tesco put their drinks in all their stores but i’m not going to stop going because of it.

I got esl wire to work for me and it took me 3 months to build a computer

take this how you want it.

So it seems pretty much unamimous that having a crappy AC client that affects a lot of peoples pc’s to the point of them being unable or unwilling to play, will ruin a league regardless of map picks, unlock rules or any other factor.

Forgot to mention Wireplay, (sorry b0nes!), which seemed to have the least number of drops, and has done historically from what I remember, having played there for a few years myself, so maybe there’s a few lessons for everyone in here somewhere…idk.

Cheers for the replies though guys, I’m finding it all quite interesting.

etf2l is perfect as it is atm, we should just have a better map pool, like including viaduct. That would actully be fucking epic.

Played both leagues pretty much without any issues, had a few chats with admins whenever Wire went wonky or people didn’t respond on ESL and they were always extremely helpful.

I’ve had a better experience with ESL admins than i have ETF2L but i’ve probably had less interaction with ETF2L Admins overall so i guess it evens out.

The only problem with ESL isn’t anything the league itself can fix, it’s people need to stop being idiots and start organizing their matches the correct way/letting admins know they are dropping from the league.