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Quoted from antyjc
just cos antyy is bad at demo and wants to play solly but cant aim shotgun
iirc the main reason for banning this weapon was it’s advantage when you rolled the opponent team. E.g. enemy-medic died during initial mid fight, your’s stayed alive it will become nearly impossible for the opponents to defend last cp against uber + buff banner + respawn disadvantages…
Of course it’s harder to do a sucsessfull genocide on mid with -1 shotgun in your team, but imho it is still possible. All in all I like the idea of a downgrade of this weapon (like a certain sound when banner is ready) to enable a new discussion about it’s possible application. go on.
Last edited by nTraum,
Needs some tweaking like Snowie said, but I could see it being used more. And it is actually a trade-off unlike some unlocks, and not as annoying as the fan or natasha.
Good (long) read.
Quoted from nTraum
iirc the main reason for banning this weapon was it’s advantage when you rolled the opponent team. E.g. enemy-medic died during initial mid fight, your’s stayed alive it will become nearly impossible for the opponents to defend last cp against uber + buff banner + respawn disadvantages…
All that means is the team that does everything right on middle gets an advantage whilst the team that loses all their important classes gets a disadvantage.
You can use a buff banner to force an enemy uber when on the defensive, all you have to do is stay alive at the right time.
Quoted from nTraum
iirc the main reason for banning this weapon was it’s advantage when you rolled the opponent team. E.g. enemy-medic died during initial mid fight, your’s stayed alive it will become nearly impossible for the opponents to defend last cp against uber + buff banner + respawn disadvantages…
Of course it’s harder to do a sucsessfull genocide on mid with -1 shotgun in your team, but imho it is still possible. All in all I like the idea of a downgrade of this weapon (like a certain sound when banner is ready) to enable a new discussion about it’s possible application. go on.
This is a bit of a problem but as with every unlock (or 99%) there are tactical ways around it – why not just spawn a scout as spy and tell him to go for the soldier rather than the medic.
It just forces both teams to think differently, just like the medic unlocks did.
Last edited by Mark,
Both of you are right. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not against the buff banner at all, I just wanted to recover the arguments of former times.
Don’t forget that the team that is perfoming better on mid (probably) already has a huge advantage with its uber. Additionally I think that the defeated team often had dealt less damage on mid (which results in a less-filled banner-bar) so it’s harder for their soldier to fill-up their bar afterwards.
Because picking out a particular player is not the easiest thing, at least not for me. :)
Last edited by nTraum,
Quoted from nTraum
iirc the main reason for banning this weapon was it’s advantage when you rolled the opponent team. E.g. enemy-medic died during initial mid fight, your’s stayed alive it will become nearly impossible for the opponents to defend last cp against uber + buff banner + respawn disadvantages…
Of course it’s harder to do a sucsessfull genocide on mid with -1 shotgun in your team, but imho it is still possible. All in all I like the idea of a downgrade of this weapon (like a certain sound when banner is ready) to enable a new discussion about it’s possible application. go on.
Getting a buff banner on middle means you have to do a LOT of damage. It’s pretty rare for a soldier to do 600 damage on a single middle fight with his medic (and team) surviving enough to roll 2nd and then go on and roll last. Rounds which are a roll for your team are often over way too quickly for buff banner to actually charge in time assuming that you’re not doing all of the work. If we’re not talking about rounds which are a roll, there is always a good chance that the uber will be forced, the soldier might go down or the enemy medic will have time to build uber again.
The buff banner is still bugged at the moment which has yet to be fixed.
(Charge it, hold down fire and release when you want the charge. And if you don’t, just change weapon.)
I really can’t imagine anyone being too upset whether this is allowed or banned. It’s just another unlock that’s not particuarly interesting but functional, like the FaN. Yeah it’ll get the job done and isn’t really that overpowered, but doesn’t really ‘add’ anything good to the game.
Quoted from Ched
The buff banner is still bugged at the moment which has yet to be fixed.
(Charge it, hold down fire and release when you want the charge. And if you don’t, just change weapon.)
I really can’t imagine anyone being too upset whether this is allowed or banned. It’s just another unlock that’s not particuarly interesting but functional, like the FaN. Yeah it’ll get the job done and isn’t really that overpowered, but doesn’t really ‘add’ anything good to the game.
you haven’t played gummi
the buff banner adds plenty of “good” to the game, ched, even if said good is only the boyish joy present in Vali’s heart when he sounds his bugle and hears jem’s voice in his head shouting “BANNER?!?!”
the only thing i hate is:
team 1 kills all team 2 on mid
team 1s banner is fully charged with uber
team 1 rapes team 2 with uber and buffbanner on cp2/4
easy last cap
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