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Anti Cheat - What would you improve?
Created 8th March 2010 @ 18:58
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Its probably been said a million times, but a anti cheat … instead of some guys sat there deciding if someone hacks…yes an anti cheat doesn’t stop everything but even the most basic thing can stop alot things such as the client side addon abuse that was around untill recently.
The other nice feature could be a sort of “hardware scanning mechanism” which basically recognizes your computer and can link it to your account
The main issue I see been that if you suspect someone and the anti cheat hasn’t picked anything up it may cause a few shit storms within the community if you decide to take action and not give the benefit of the doubt due to the anti cheat :|
(Even if this has been posted a million times before I’ve typed it out anyway now)
Quoted from Jims
Its probably been said a million times, but a anti cheat … instead of some guys sat there deciding if someone hacks…yes an anti cheat doesn’t stop everything but even the most basic thing can stop alot things such as the client side addon abuse that was around untill recently.
If you look at other leagues for examples you will find anti-cheat clients aren’t exactly the end all to catching cheaters (See ESEA TF2 Anti Cheat Client, which barely catches anything, delays games indefinatly because the client needs to be updated and when it’s updated causes blue screens in some instances).
When games have to be delayed because the ac client doesn’t work anymore due to a TF2 update or whatever it’s annoying in league’s that have less than 50 teams in them. Scale that up to ETF2L levels and think about it now :P
Quoted from Jims
The other nice feature could be a sort of “hardware scanning mechanism” which basically recognizes your computer and can link it to your account
Bad idea, outside of privacy issues and other things that could get in the way there are other problems.
What about people who have multiple PC’s/Laptops. I know I’ve played both on my laptop and on my PC depending on where I am sitting if I am at home or if I’m even home at all.
What exactly would you need hardware information for anyway? Check if a cheater is bandodging with the exact same hardware under a different account? IP checking makes that much easier. Besides, a virtual machine would easily circumvent any hardware check.
Quoted from Jims
The main issue I see been that if you suspect someone and the anti cheat hasn’t picked anything up it may cause a few shit storms within the community if you decide to take action and not give the benefit of the doubt due to the anti cheat :|
(Even if this has been posted a million times before I’ve typed it out anyway now)
Thats probaby not the biggest concern.
Quoted from Jims
The other nice feature could be a sort of “hardware scanning mechanism” which basically recognizes your computer and can link it to your account
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no.
Quoted from herpderp
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If you look at other leagues for examples you will find anti-cheat clients aren’t exactly the end all to catching cheaters (See ESEA TF2 Anti Cheat Client, which barely catches anything, delays games indefinatly because the client needs to be updated and when it’s updated causes blue screens in some instances).
People will always say that X anticheat doesn’t catch much cheaters, but maybe this is also because not much people are cheating in this league because they know they would get detected by the anticheat?
Also, it all depends of the Anticheat, but some don’t need to be updated all the time so there are no delays (e.g. Aequitas).
Inb4Aequitasiscausingdelaysduetootherissues: this is true due to the fact that the coders are working on a new Anticheat which should be released soon, so they are not working on fixing Aequitas bugs any more (would just slow down the release of the new AC).
I’m not going to quote because I can’t be bothered multiquoting.
With the privacy and multi pc issue I understand what you’re getting at, but X-ray has always done this to my knowledge and its just a little but nice thing to be there, if someone is going to use a separate pc just to use the AC client and not link it to there original account on the AC client then there trying rather hard to be fair.
And yeah, even with an anti cheat you’ll never catch everything its just nice to be there, other games use them, nearly every cup I’ve played in used X-ray bar just after the orangebox update for css and nearly every league has its own AC or X-ray in use.
I’m not suggesting it has to be ran in EVERY situation, if its delaying a match or one person can’t get on, give them the benefit of the doubt for that match (situational) and be wary about it as long as its a one off untill they sort out their client.
A lot of other games do fine with anti cheat in nearly every main league, I don’t see how its any different bar the updates, but that’s a unique factor that would have to be considered when it comes to it.
/ramble mode
Half of that probably doesn’t even make sense but still.
Comment removed by SnowiE.
This is not the place for idle chit-chat about specific cheating cases. Stick to the topic.
As said before, it seems like the players DONT want a clientside program, the solution could be Dblocker + a good AC-crew.
Quoted from trams
As said before, it seems like the players DONT want a clientside program, the solution could be Dblocker + a good AC-crew.
why?
cos they can not wallhack or ESP any longer like they want?
there is NO real reason against client anti cheat except cheating…
Quoted from Dr-GimpfeN
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why?
cos they can not wallhack or ESP any longer like they want?there is NO real reason against client anti cheat except cheating…
yes there is
its inconvenient very muchos
i dont quite like the idea of having software on my PC that is DESIGNED to invade my privacy, if you get what i mean.
Quoted from Waebi
i dont quite like the idea of having software on my PC that is DESIGNED to invade my privacy, if you get what i mean.
ppl will laugh at ur terrbytes of pron
It is possible to write software that can properly detect cheats. Problem is not a single person in this community is anywhere near capable of doing it, nor do we have enough money to pay those who do.
Aequitas/ESL Wire is a fucking joke.
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