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Created 24th October 2012 @ 21:05
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Quoted from Enef
Why should we be forced to play on a week not suitable to us because our opponents can’t be bothered to schedule a game with us?
E.G, i went through every single game in our season and made a post on the match page stating dates and times we could play, some responded some didn’t. Most of them responded and a few got default dates, ofc because we were smart and posted dates and times we could play all the games were fine for us to play. However some of them still got no response from the opponent.
Thursday we were ready and waiting to play our opponent, they wildcarded 15 minutes before the game which is fine, we figured we’ll just play it in the catch up week because we only have one day we can play our final official in the next week.
Apparently that’s not possible, though, because we have to get both teams permission and its unlikely they’ll agree to it, so how is this fair on us? The one team this season that’s been actively trying to arrange games on time? To get forced to either play on a day we really can’t because our opponents won’t agree to change the date?
So basically, they won’t “force” anyone to play in the “extra week” but they will force them to play in a week they are unable to play in because a team can’t get its act together and organise a game properly, despite being given many options, dates and times, as long as the opponent doesn’t agree to an extension they get fucked over because of etf2ls rules.
The whole “Can’t play in the catch up week” thing is retarded. Why is it there if i have to get permission from an admin to play in it?
I honestly don’t give a shit about when the wildcard is taken or when its allowed to be taken, i just care that people get fucked over when they’ve tried hard to arrange everything fine.
+1
An obvious problem that became apparent today was the default date/no wildcard case and the fact that it screwed over some teams, and made those mad who didnt get screwed over, but obviously didnt expect it.
Problem one was that Team A saw that Team B used a wildcard shortly before the match was supposed to take place. Team A thought they didnt have to play then (some didnt request admins), the matchtime was set to default after the match was supposed to happen, not allowing Team A to claim a default win.
For Team B its the same situation in worse, for whatever reason they maybe couldnt play on the default date. They cannot use a wildcard and its a default win for Team A. If they did use a wildcard, they (accidently) screwed over both teams.
Also coming to play here is one team trying to pull a dick move on the other just to get the default win, by just rejecting all new proposals after the default date. They have easy play when no wildcards are allowed, and the other team cant do anything about it.
So a reminder for now: If a team uses a wildcard in a week 7 match (or a late week 6 match) now, ignore it and be there at the original matchtime.
If you have any questions please contact an admin as soon as they come up
So basically although they are not allowed to use wildcard they actually kinda use one because we are forced to reschedule it. We get fucked because they are not able to play.
Quoted from Panromir
An obvious problem that became apparent today was the default date/no wildcard case and the fact that it screwed over some teams, and made those mad who didnt get screwed over, but obviously didnt expect it.
Problem one was that Team A saw that Team B used a wildcard shortly before the match was supposed to take place. Team A thought they didnt have to play then (some didnt request admins), the matchtime was set to default after the match was supposed to happen, not allowing Team A to claim a default win.
For Team B its the same situation in worse, for whatever reason they maybe couldnt play on the default date. They cannot use a wildcard and its a default win for Team A. If they did use a wildcard, they (accidently) screwed over both teams.
Also coming to play here is one team trying to pull a dick move on the other just to get the default win, by just rejecting all new proposals after the default date. They have easy play when no wildcards are allowed, and the other team cant do anything about it.
So a reminder for now: If a team uses a wildcard in a week 7 match (or a late week 6 match) now, ignore it and be there at the original matchtime.
If you have any questions please contact an admin as soon as they come up
We dont try to use a “dick move”.We wanted to play today because one of our main players is going away for 1 week and we need to play with a guy who only played at pub and we already have a match that will be like 5vs6 why we should get a secound game like that because the other team wasnt ready.
Quoted from Raxen
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We dont try to use a “dick move”.
I wasn’t addressing any team directly, nor was I generalizing the scenario.
I was talking only about the teams who do it simply to get a default win, and dont have any other reason to.
Well, isn’t the whole point of default wins that your opponent is not able to play on the scheduled date and time and it cannot be postponed?
Quoted from n0pe
So basically although they are not allowed to use wildcard they actually kinda use one because we are forced to reschedule it. We get fucked because they are not able to play.
You were forced to reschedule because you did not fulfill the requirements for claiming a default win.
n0pe: how could we be on the server when by that time it said they have used wildcard
The rules say clearly that wildcards are not allowed in week 7, and what to do if your opponent uses one. You would not have assumed the default date has been lifted had you read the rule.
If neither team claims a default win on the default date, then it’s up to the teams to either reschedule, or let their match hang until the season deadline and get nullified.
Quoted from Panromir
by just rejecting all new proposals after the default date
well, you could try to schedule before you get a default date in the first place.. if your opponent isn’t responding to your schedule proposals you can always make this clear by either posting on the match page or contacting an admin. that way these things won’t happen at all.
the only thing going wrong here is people misunderstanding and/or being oblivious to league rules. if you always try to schedule your games on time, it doesn’t matter whether or not your opponent are dicks.
Quoted from Raxen
we need to play with a guy who only played at pub and we already have a match that will be like 5vs6 why we should get a secound game like that because the other team wasnt ready.
not being able to play because you failed to recruit backup players isn’t your opponent’s fault, fyi
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Quoted from Andee
Can we trade wildcards for hats if you have any left at the end of the season?
We should start selling wildcards for hats and refunding unspent wildcards at the end of the Season.
I bet wildcard usage would drop dramatically in Season 14.
Quoted from emb
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We should start selling wildcards for hats and refunding unspent wildcards at the end of the Season.
I bet wildcard usage would drop dramatically in Season 14.
Heh, how about adding one point to a team’s total points for each unspent wildcard? Or maybe just one point if both wildcards were unspent (because 1 point for each is perhaps a bit much). Or only use it as a tie-breaker.. The possibilities are endless!
Quoted from Spike Himself
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the only thing going wrong here is people misunderstanding and/or being oblivious to league rules. if you always try to schedule your games on time, it doesn’t matter whether or not your opponent are dicks.[…]
That’s not true, we always tried to schedule things way ahead of time and still got screwed over, kind of. :)
The biggest problem with the system is that if you know an opponent can’t make the default date, you can simply reject any proposal they make, and they are forced to wildcard. If this is at the end of the season, the same applies except they can’t wildcard the game, and have to give a default loss.
It’s a lottery that is entirely dependent on the date that the admins set as the default date.
I’d much prefer a system where the league has a fixed schedule, that works on the lines of:
Initial match day: Wednesday.
If both teams agree: New date = Thursday.
If wildcarded: New date = Thursday.
If the team that didn’t use a wildcard can’t play on the Thursday, the match gets pushed to the following Tuesday as a final date.
That would mean that a team that can’t make any two of those days, is the one that would get a default loss.
At the moment, if you can’t make the default date, you get a default loss in the final week(s)?.
Quoted from AcidReniX
It’s a lottery that is entirely dependent on the date that the admins set as the default date.
That’s not true. If you show on the match page, be it by commenting or actually proposing dates, that you have done all you can to get your game scheduled, any default date would be entirely in your favour. If both teams do this, it’s very likely there won’t even be a default date, as they would simply manage to actually agree on a date.
At the end of the day it all comes down to how willing both teams are to play against one another. Admins have very little influence on this matter, if any at all.
I’d much prefer a system where the league has a fixed schedule
This would be ideal, but in practice it will never work. Many people are available on many different dates. Setting one default play day for the league is almost discrimination, and the only thing it will bring forth is rage and less signups.
The beauty of ETF2L is exactly the fact you can schedule your games almost whenever you want.
As for those raging at the last week wildcard thing; you knew 6 weeks ago that this game was going to come around, why didn’t you try to schedule it in advance?
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