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Rule proposal: acceptable match times
Created 29th September 2011 @ 17:57
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Quoted from atmo
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Maybe you should use a merc.
See this is what someone else said. Why should we play without a full lineup and risk losing because the other team can’t join a league which accommodates their timezone?
Tbh I don’t get why some people think it’s a dickish move to use the argument “etf2l is a EUROPEAN league”..It’s a fact.
You can’t force a European team to play on times that are more suitable for Russian teams, it’s the Russian teams that should make an effort to play on our times, not the other way around :)
Quoted from ell
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On the contrary, I think we all agree that we don’t. Excluding Russians will gain us nothing.
+1
Quoted from ell
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On the contrary, I think we all agree that we don’t. Excluding Russians will gain us nothing.
It will gain us nothing? this thread was made due to russians causing a nuesance, it will make several people happy if there was no russians in etf2l. Im not saying no good russians excist cos i know several russians who are nice people and who are actually not complaining that they have to play at akward times because they knew that when they signed up for a team on the site.
Quoted from dauk
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I think we all agree that you’re an idiot.
and why is that?
Quoted from Oxy
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Tbh what benefit is there from them being on etf2l if they are not gonna mingle with other people? I’ve actually met a few lovely russians on etf2l and a couple were delightful to arrange games with. It just seems that there is are a select few that always cause problems.
Agree completely, well they probably talk with eachother in the russian community but.
Quoted from Oxy
[…]select few that always cause problems.
I must be very lucky since 49/50 of the russians i meet are idiots.
Quoted from Toasty
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It will gain us nothing? this thread was made due to russians causing a nuesance, it will make several people happy if there was no russians in etf2l. Im not saying no good russians excist cos i know several russians who are nice people and who are actually not complaining that they have to play at akward times because they knew that when they signed up for a team on the site.
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and why is that?
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Agree completely, well they probably talk with eachother in the russian community but.
just get a better timezone
Let’s remove jews and asians and americans while we’re at it. Their pings annoy me. Isolate them all into their own div. They aren’t european are they?
And then let’s remove a country each year. I hate hungarians because they want Transylvania. Who do they think they are?
Just wait for a default date since it won’t force you to play at 17 cet if you state you can’t. There you go. Problem solved.
I am reluctant to say that all Russians suck because I have actually met some really nice Russians in- and outside TF2. I agree, however, that it sucks if your opponent wants to force you to play at ridiculous times for Europeans and i believe we all agree with that.
Now that we have identified the problem, what can we do against it? Is it even such a big deal that we have to do something against it?
If you can not agree on a schedule, just wait for the default date. It will not be set to a time before 20.00 CE(S)T unless one team cba to leave comments on the match page, both teams agree or are from an eastern timezone.
I would like to know who of the people that are complaining here have been forced to play at a really early date?
Scheduling can be hard but if do have to set ~150 default dates per week you will see that it has nothing to do with the nationality but can be explained with with lack of experience, cba-attitude or because the teams simply forgot.
Banning all Russians from the league will not work and personally, I do not see a problem if a team from another timezone wants to compete in this league if they can adapt to the usual European playtimes (maybe except for the slightly higher pings, but most Russian teams have a .nl server nowadays).
I do not like the idea of an all-russian division either. This is the European TF2 League, not the Russian TF2 league which means, that teams from all over Europe (and maybe some Asian and African teams) are seeded together in the same divisions. As far as I know there are Russian leagues where mostly Russian teams play.
Quoted from CanFo
If you can not agree on a schedule, just wait for the default date.
Why not just add a rule that outlines the basises on which the default dates are made anyway? Formally ruling out pre-20CET, post-22CET and friday/saturday as “reasonable” scheduling times would prevent a lot of scheduling headaches by placing expectations on teams and giving something concrete that people can appeal to without needing to run to admins.
playing 20 cet should be manageable for both teams, nomatter where they are from. Getting a team together is more than just finding people you like to play with, it has to work practically, be able to field a team at reasonable times.
Something similar to this has already happened before (and received a load of feedback), when some american team made a huge fuss about something in the highlander challenge (might have been scheduling, might have been server, don’t remember..).
Anyway, a rule as proposed in OP would not add anything new to the current ruleset. As has been pointed out, admins will never set a default date that would be terribly inconvenient by either team.
It is also already obvious: if you play in a European league, you don’t go demanding to play somewhere in the afternoon. It simply doesn’t work like that.
It’s not etf2l’s responsibility to deal with that, though.
Quoted from Vali
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Why not just add a rule that outlines the basises on which the default dates are made anyway? Formally ruling out pre-20CET, post-22CET and friday/saturday as “reasonable” scheduling times would prevent a lot of scheduling headaches by placing expectations on teams and giving something concrete that people can appeal to without needing to run to admins.
Because, if both teams agree, it’s perfectly okay to play at 6 in the morning.
btw can we stop referring to the ‘offenders’ as ‘russians’? It could very well be an English team that can only play in the mornings. Same concept applies.
Quoted from Spike Himself
Because, if both teams agree, it’s perfectly okay to play at 6 in the morning.
Nobody here is bitching about a team approaching them and asking to play a time outside of 20:00-22:00CET (or whatever). People complain about the times when a team ask and then go on to refuse normal matchtimes and flame or are just a nightmare to schedule with. Adding such a rule obviously isn’t forcing people to only play at those times, just save a lot of hassle for when communication breaks down.
Liking this new rule proposal. Except make it 20:00 CET to 22:00 CET maybe. I’m usually fine starting later than that but I really can’t do any earlier, only get home from work between 19:00 and 19:30 on most days.
Quoted from jonii
Tbh I don’t get why some people think it’s a dickish move to use the argument “etf2l is a EUROPEAN league”..It’s a fact.
+1
Quoted from atmo
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Maybe you should use a merc.
We will always try to schedule our matches on days and at times when we have our full lineup available :) Just makes more sense. If we absolutely can’t agree with the other team (as is the case right now) there’s always the default date. Sometimes that doesn’t work for them, sometimes it doesn’t for us. :)
Quoted from Spike Himself
btw can we stop referring to the ‘offenders’ as ‘russians’? It could very well be an English team that can only play in the mornings. Same concept applies.
Or those damn Dutch! :P On a side note, now I WANT to play at 6 AM.
But yeah, it’s the same really. Why bother joining a league if you can’t play when 99% of all teams play?
Quoted from Toasty
Also to oxy
You could just make 1 div called russian, and in this div only russians will be allowed to compete, every russian team will be in here and will have to battle eachother atleast once. Problem solved.
I lol’d pretty hard :)
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