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Quoted from Dummy

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a quality pickup a week > a shitty pickup a day
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tf.pug.na is always alive, i dont know what theyre doin right that were doin right, any americans with inside knowledge :p?

Finnish pickup #gather.fi is alive 7daysaweek.

Mainly because there is no skill limit.

Quoted from Dummy

is it any good is my question though, pug.na is active and quality not just one of the other while everything in EU is either quality and inactive (pixel, pug2) or shit and active (lobby)

TF2 european pickups were most active before people really started mixing. Since then TF2 pickups have been hardly worthwhile to play in, the interest level of prem players (or thereabouts in skill) in maintaining the same level of activity as back then has all but completely dropped save for a few select players. For pickups to be successful there needs to be the right mix of interest in the pickup model of play, activity and skill.

The US pugs, as far as I’m aware, have the advantage of a number of things. There are actually invite level players that play there on a regular basis, and that draws in people that are dedicated and want to learn. I guess mixing is generally less popular there, or at least there are a greater number of people that don’t mix and prefer to play pugs to explain why more people will play them. I think there might also be that whole american ego thing going on where people that play pugs (and hence with invite players) probably think it makes them better than people that don’t.

Currently the Euro scene in terms of pickups is too segmented. The lower end is completely dominated by lobby, the upper is dominated by a lack of interest and I think pixel.pickup proved if anything that a small number of active and dedicated players from the middle just isn’t enough.

Quoted from Dummy

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is it any good is my question though, pug.na is active and quality not just one of the other while everything in EU is either quality and inactive (pixel, pug2) or shit and active (lobby)

Most of the time its good, better than the eurolobbies atleast plus we already have over 5000 played games at #gather.fi.

Quoted from Vali

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TF2 european pickups were most active before people really started mixing. Since then

After Kodyl quit tf2 the pugs died :(

Quoted from Vali

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TF2 european pickups were most active before people really started mixing. Since then TF2 pickups have been hardly worthwhile to play in, the interest level of prem players (or thereabouts in skill) in maintaining the same level of activity as back then has all but completely dropped save for a few select players. For pickups to be successful there needs to be the right mix of interest in the pickup model of play, activity and skill.

The US pugs, as far as I’m aware, have the advantage of a number of things. There are actually invite level players that play there on a regular basis, and that draws in people that are dedicated and want to learn. I guess mixing is generally less popular there, or at least there are a greater number of people that don’t mix and prefer to play pugs to explain why more people will play them. I think there might also be that whole american ego thing going on where people that play pugs (and hence with invite players) probably think it makes them better than people that don’t.

Currently the Euro scene in terms of pickups is too segmented. The lower end is completely dominated by lobby, the upper is dominated by a lack of interest and I think pixel.pickup proved if anything that a small number of active and dedicated players from the middle just isn’t enough.

about NA, they DON’T have mixes – ive talked to a lot of lower/mid level americans and, when i was playing in pug.na, the invite players, and every single one of them (when i explained what a mix is) said their nearest equivalent is pug na

vali, you are quite a smart player, i expect to see you on chat ;)

jsut a fyi, the chat is in 30 mins