Season 5 map pool votes – fun cup status – season 4 playoffs reminder – signups full – another ban
April 16, 2009
Season 5 map pool
To decide which map pool we are going to use in season 5, we’ve thought about some public polls for you to help us make the decision. First we have the season 4 mappool for you:
- Primary (each map can be chose 3 times): cp_granary, cp_fastlane, cp_badlands, cp_gravelpit, cp_well, ctf_turbine
- Secondary (each map can be chosen 1 time): cp_dustbowl, cp_freight, cp_labor, ctf_2fort, ctf_mach4, ctf_well, pl_goldrush, pl_badwater
This was the map pool as we used it in season 4. We want to incorporate some changes for season 5. We’ve chosen 2 of the least played maps in season 4: ctf_well and pl_badwater, and nominated them for removal. Also, we are considering moving cp_freight to the primary map pool. You can vote for, or against these changes in the polls below.
Remove ctf_well from secondary map pool?
Total Voters: 1,014
Loading ...Remove pl_badwater from secondary map pool?
Total Voters: 1,007
Loading ...Move cp_freight to primary map pool?
Total Voters: 1,025
Loading ...Also, in season 4, division 1 played exclusively with maps from the primary map pool, on their request. We are considering expanding this to division 2. Every division 2 team has the right to cast a vote: whether they solely want to play maps from the primary map pool (= like division 1 in season 4), or also those from the secondary map pool (= what it is now for most divs) . Each team can vote 1 time in the topic found here [Link].
Another thing we’ve heard some people ask for, is fixed maps, set by the league, instead of maps chosen by the players themselves. These calls came especially from the higher divisions. Therefor we have decided to hold another set of polls for this: 1 for division 1, and another for division 2. Again, each team can cast 1 vote, for or against fixed maps. Division 1 teams can vote here: [Link] Division 2 teams can vote here [Link] .
We will decide over the fate of the mapping contest maps once the mapping contest has ended.
Fun cup status
Highlander cup
We are already at the semi finals of our second highlander cup.
At the one side we have 
Jari Litmanen vs 
FakkelBrigade. And in the other semi finals it’s 
Hey that’s vs 
LOL Team highlander. These 4 teams will be fighting on pl_goldrush, pl_hoodoo and possibly cp_dustbowl. Let’s hope they schedule these matches soon, so we can enjoy some fine action before season 5 starts. The match deadline is Wednesday the 22nd.
Instagib CTF cup
This cup is also at the semi finals. You can see ripulipimpsat vs 
impressive and [GC] vs Superior Cows. Maps for this round are ctf_greystone, ctf_turbine and as possible decider ctf_impact2. Enjoy the action! The match deadline is Wednesday the 22nd.
Bball cup #2
This cup is also almost finished. Haircut and Sailor have already made their way to the final, while 
.pt and 
Blackxploitation are fighting for the other place in the finals. Let’s shoot some hoops! The match deadline is Wednesday the 22nd.
Scout 2on2 cup
After some delay, when the arena mode became unusable, this cup is resuming its course.Round 2 is over, and we’re going into round 3. Here are the details:
- Schedule deadline: Sunday 19 april
- Match deadline: Wednesday 22 april
- 3rd round maps: 1. cp_granary, 2. cp_badlands, 3. ctf_well
Season 4 playoffs reminder
With Season 5 drawing close, we don’t have much time for the season 4 playoffs left. Please remember that the initial deadline for all playoff matches is wednesday the 22nd. If you are having problems with these playoffs, or think you’re not able to make this deadline, please contact an admin soon.
Season 5 full
The first 250 teams signed up for season 5 after only 3 days of signups. For now, every new team signing up will remain on the waiting list.
There are a few teams on the waiting list who haven’t entered their skill level. Teams without a skill level set will not be admitted into season 5. If this affects you, please set your skill level in the team admin menu [Link]
Another one banned
Sadly, we had to ban yet another player, but this time for another reason.
Javilee has been banned for 2 months for racism.
Posted by DeNeusbeer in League
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FIRST.
inb4 racist claims by spaniards
Freight to primary gogo!
racism is bad :(
Where the fuck is the poll “Remove fastlane from either map pool?” :/
Freight to primary map pool, remove secondary map pool, admins choose maps for div3 aswell. Atleast that’s what I want to see.
What about division 3! I want fixed maps or at least only primary map pool for div3 as well :(
ahahah I remember javilee shouting heil hitler when we were having a pcw against them (along with some spanish swearing and accusing me of using “pyro scripts” lololol)
seeing this made me giggle
The map pool mentioned in the news is not the map pool used in season 4 as we used cp_freight_b3 and not the final.
Could we get an admin clearing this situation?
+ shouldn’t we wait for the results of the map pool changing polls before div2 teams decide whether they want to use primary only or secondary in addition?
we will be switching to the new freight.
Why such a short ban? Mario is banned for lifetime…
haha javile sured deserved it
So Signups closed for more teams right now? Or is there a chance for the teams on the waiting list to join season 5? There are some very nice and stable guyz waiting to join like [BoL] Band of Lovers which are playing TF2 since over 2 years.
Greetz Nea
You should look before you post Nea! BoL is in it, but it is interesting if Season 5 stays at 250 Teams.
wow, forcenet posted in this thread!!!!
Go freight :P
new freight sucks
Freight ftw 8-)
The first 250 teams signed up for season 5 after only 3 days of signups. For now, every new team signing up will remain on the waiting list. – n1 :)
And keep freight in secondary map pool :/
What ? Why limit the number of teams to 250 when there are much more teams wanting to join ?
this is bs, badwater is the best pl map, remove goldrush!!!!!!!!
su exfane
Badwater needs to stay in mappool imo :)
Although I don’t specifically like basin i think the more = the better
How is the tf2 community suposed to grow if the etf2l is capping it to 250 teams?
There are already 272 teams signed up in 5 days. The amount of new teams overcoming the amount of dropped teams is really astonishing. It means the tf2 community is still growing and the dropped teams are willing to reform or start new teams and keep their interest in competetive tf2. While I can understand why the team cap is there, I still think that there should be another sollution to accomodate a large number of teams.
Etf2l really needs to reconsider the team cap imo.
pleas don’t use cp_freight_b3 since the works on this map have been completed with cp_freight…
cp_freight in primary pool? :/ Could aswell turn crits on again. Hooray for train luck!
I agree that Badwater is a much better map than Goldrush.
About bans, by the way, I heard a rumour that up to 150(!) very likely cheaters are beeing followed closely atm and that the 12 banned was just the top of an iceberg to make an example to the rest.
It is just a rumour, but since it might be true I recommend all cheaters to stop what you are doing immediately. It is not worth a one year ban and a totallly destroyed reputation.
Keep up the good work admins !
more cheaters ? goodie
vote freight out of primary map pool! it’s a map based around luck, bad respawntimes, fps lags,… CRAP
+100 racio
freight must be fixed before primary pool)
Oh no!!! Not Badwater :( pls keep it in the secondary :*(
The voting on removing maps from the secondary map pool is kinda pointless since I’m very certain that except for freight, people would be voting all the other maps out.
250 cap :<
but yeh, badwater and definately ctf_well are going to be voted out.
its just bullshit to set signup dates if they doesnt matter at all …
give every team the same chance and choose the 250 teams out of all who signed up!!!
I was hoping for 300 teams or more i s5. Its no point in holding competetive tf2 back when we can expand. And is there difrent types of bans you can get for racism? Well well, its anyways awsome that the season start so fast:)
Badwater for secondary map pool and freight for first map pool, but screw it, I would like admin-chosen maps for div3 too :>
Nice one admins re: Javilee.
If it is at all feasible please reconsider the 250 team cap.
I liked having freight in secondary map pool, because of the map selection rules. We managed to pick double maps 4 times in last season, and the rules state that a double can be replaced by a 2nd or 3rd map pool map only. Tbh freight in first map pool and change the rule so that clan leaders can decide on using a first map pool replacement for a double pick.
Or just use fixed maps ofc ;)
I hope they rethink the 250 team cap, there are a fair few solid clans that out there atm that should be given the chance.
Badwater is awesome, why would anyone want it removed? It’s way better than dustbowl, goldrush and 2fort..
More than 250 teams if possible please.
Agreed, TF2 does not need a cap on the ammount of teams, we need moar teams!
+1 for more teams
+1 for less cheaters
+1 for remove of freight, somehow I can’t get decent fps on that map… :(
I believe they said that the site doesnt support more than 256 teams as it stands now.
+1 about teams
understandable why u limit cups for numbers like 128, 256
but with the league u have no excuse :P
atm 280 teams signed up for season 5. the signup ends in one week.
yeah great to let more than 30teams not play in this league cause they signed up in the given distance …
so please let every team play which signed up in the given period of time or choose 250 teams from all teams who signed up! the other options arent fair!
If there’s no cap then there are no teams on the waiting list to replace early droppers. Plus the more teams there are playing from the start, the more likely you are to have early droppers.
i dont think that there will be more than 30 early droppers.
and i dont want to replace a dropped team in div 6 oO
I believe justice will be done.
64~ teams dropped last season
there will be 30 early droppers
Badwater sucks !
+1 to freight
Javile is retarded, don’t generalize with all the spanish comunity, thx :)
64 teams dropped last season. but most of them dropped in the middle/near the end of the season!
the fairest thing would be to wait till the sign up ends and choose the 250 teams out of all teams who signed up!
so what about div 7 and 8 :D ?
“choose 250 teams out of all teams who signed up”…
Hahahah, that cracked me up.
““choose 250 teams out of all teams who signed up”…
Hahahah, that cracked me up.”
a very childish post from a person who is called an “League Admin”!
so please tell my, why do you set an start and end date for the signups when this dates doesnt matter?
then please say: the tf2 community is just shit for us, the first 250 teams who signup will play the rest of you can go to hell and cry some more or play wp/esl etc …
cause thats how it looks like!
“the more teams there are playing from the start, the more likely you are to have early droppers.”
the percentage of droppers would stay the same and so will the average number of droppers per division.
I think it’s only fair to let ALL teams join when the league begins, and just ignore droppers or replace them with teams that formed after the league started. after all I think that teams who won’t be added into the league are much more likely to fold due to lack of motivation.
allocating only a certain % of newly formed teams could help
We’ll think about it.
However: consider the following.
It’s not a simple a matter of adding a few division at the bottom of the tables and put some teams in it, i wish it was.
250 teams (and ofc any number above that) is a massive amount of teams. Roughly half of these teams will be new, both to the etf2l, and to the admins. Seeding those properly isn’t easy.
It’s best described as a big puzzle, but you can’t see the picture on half of the pieces (= new teams), so you have to make a decision based on the shape of the piece (= the few info you do have), but there are a lot of pieces with the same shape :O You can put them in, but you won’t know it’s the right piece untill you can see the picture (= results etc)
With each and every division we add, the puzzle gets harder. Whether to put relatively new teams in div 5 or div 6 is a guess at best for some teams. More teams leads to more guesswork, and more unbalanced divisions, and that leads to more unhappy teams. (unless you like getting yor ass kicked for 9 matches). This also isn’t linear, but more exponential if you ask me.
So there you have it. That’s why we are hesitant to adding new divisions. It’s not about ‘fair for everyone. With it’s current size, ETF2L already has to give in on quality. THe more teams you get, the less quality. It’s a mere tradeoff.
cp_steel for secondary pool! =) It’s no way worse than 2fort,mach4,pl_badwater :p
“so please let every team play which signed up in the given period of time or choose 250 teams from all teams who signed up! the other options arent fair!”
The option your proposing here isnt fair, its like waiting in line for concert tickets and when your up front they start selling at the back of the line. LAWL (absolute-style)
i understand what u mean neusbeer, but i dont realy accept it as an argument.
i mean, u have to do this puzzle. it doenst rly matter if you have 250 or 280 pieces of the puzzle, its just a matter of time.
… the community is growing and u wont let them cause your afraid of the work?
dont be afraid of it. if u want im gonna help you ;) :D
@ exfane, imagine Michelangelo’s David is in the museum of your town for 7 days. you want to see him and gonna go to the museum on the 4th day. but at the entrance of the museum the guard says: nope sry, we dont let you in cause enough people already came and watched michelangelos david!
except michaelangelo’s david is michaelangelo’s david and this is a video game you fucking nerd
Bit harsh, Aye Doc. :l
i am harsh in the face of analogies comparing immense works of art and the video game featuring a big fat dude eating a sandwich and cackling i am sorry for this
Yeah, I can appreciate what DNB’s getting at, but I’m sure ye’d easily find, say, 20 willing people who would sort through scoreboards of unknown teams to try and fix the divisions up less fair.
Sure it’d be a hell of a lot of work, but worth doing, imo.
atm 294 signed up for season 5.
i dont think its the right way to set the limit to 250 teams…
@ aye doc, come on, cry some more and u’ll get more warnings :)
u just act like a 12 year old kid.
what nonexistent warnings do you speak of?
i’m actually acting like a very adult person because a 12 year old would be unlikely to find the difference between a world-famous work of art being put on display to the public and some team screaming that they missed the signups for season 5
ha, i’ll be damned, i actually got a warning !!
it seems that a notification system should probably be added to inform you of such things so that i can get my laughs at my convenience instead of having to properly seek them out
mhh dont rly know if u ever saw michaelangelos david or if u know a single thing about that sculpture (exept of the things that u read on wiki). but it was just an example, like the one of exfane. or would u compare a video game with the ticket sell of a concert? go mr adult, flame exfane. act like an adult well educated person and be quiet.
i would indeed compare an event held by a group of administrators who utilize their time and energy to provide for people to an event held by a group of administrators who utilize their time and energy to provide for people
how about removing the teams that don’t have a certain amount of registered members on their team at a certain date? like 2 weeks before start…im sure this will free up a shitload?
mhh im gonna ignore u aye doc cause your just talking shit ;)
@ the admins
300 signed up! so why u’ll only let 250 play? i cant understand this.