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Quoted from Wiethoofd

You already have a skill floor there for people to enter, we don’t have a skill level this high for TF2Pickup.net

So its not really aimed at many of the people in this thread who are mostly looking for somewhere to play at a d2 or above level?

Quoted from Wiethoofd

I don’t know where you’re hinting at, but I think our player ranking system/elo on TF2Pickup.net is pretty decent at balancing games and keeping track of players improving their game.

Nothing, I don’t even know how your site balances teams I was just saying that an actual person managing each mix is always gonna lead to better mixes than any chosen set of rules.

Quoted from Crazyman

[…]Are you implying that anything below Prem isn’t more or less on the same level? Which HL leagues have you been playing lately?

I’m implying that being forced to team up with people 2 or more divs below or above you isn’t really fun and I’d like to play somewhere where I wasn’t always forced to do that.

Quoted from Crazyman

[…]Why isn’t that fun? I smell elitism here.

Don’t you play HL for fun? HL mixes are pretty much DM and gamesense anyway, if you balance both teams up properly, why shouldn’t it be fun with prem-d6?

Thats certainly one point of view. I guess tf2center exists for people who like that kind of thing.

Quoted from Crazyman

[…]Why isn’t that fun? I smell elitism here.

Don’t you play HL for fun? HL mixes are pretty much DM and gamesense anyway, if you balance both teams up properly, why shouldn’t it be fun with prem-d6?

One div 6 player drags down the overall level so much. Spreadsheet mixes are 100 times better than lobbies for a reason

Quoted from EmilioEstevez

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I’m implying that being forced to team up with people 2 or more divs below or above you isn’t really fun and I’d like to play somewhere where I wasn’t always forced to do that.

Lol that happened on the spreadsheet and irc mixes and it still worked fine.

The balancing system we have is pretty efficient to be honest and you only don’t have regular pickups with high level players adding up because those players are not interested, because the service is there free and available for all…

The americans have expressed multiple times how much they would prefer have a decent web based pickup like tf2pickup over irc, I guess we europeans are just 2 busy being stubborn old men yelling at d6 kids to get off our lawns.

NA has a much more active highlander scene than europe so why is it a surprise they have more active pick-ups

Forgive me for weighing in here. I can’t really speak for anyone other than myself, but personally I like the idea of mixes and I imagine quite a lot of other players at the lower levels of tf2 would too. The thing that’s stopped me adding in to IRC is mainly that mixes seem to be populated by prem/div 1 players who by and large have an understandably disdainful attitude towards people who aren’t quite as good at tf2, and I certainly don’t want to be the bloke who cocks up the mix for everyone else.

If people were a little less fussy about playing with higher/lower level players more mixes would probably happen. If you only want to mix with players in your exact div then you’re limiting your potential player base pretty heavily. I’d imagine someone playing div 3 or something would fit in fine with a mix if they were actually going to join mumble , listen to what they’re told etc etc (doubly so if you have say 3 or 4 lower div players mixed in with the regulars). It’s also a lot more satisfying to play with better players and feel like you’re learning from them/improving than to be stuck at that awkward point where you’re sick to the back teeth of tf2 center but with no other real options to play highlander “casually”.

I mean a better idea would be for me to stop talking and organise shit tier mixes but if I was doing that then I wouldn’t be posting on forums would I.